Fram TG3596A C&P, 6965 miles

[blupupher]

This is a Fram TG3596 from a 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe with the 2.4 4 cylinder.
191,887 miles on vehicle, 6,965 miles/14 months on filter.

A bit wide spacing near the crimp, but media is intact.
Some soot and a few small metal particles as well, but for the mileage, nothing really unexpected.

Youtube of cut apart:


I put on a Fram FPS9688 filter with some Pennzoil Platinum HM 10w-30. Plan on at least 7,000 miles on this next run as well.

 

[wpod]

It seems the quality has taken a nose dive. The TG was a nice filter at one time.

 

[53' Stude]

Very nice video and photos. Thank You for all your hard work

 

[blupupher]

It seems the quality has taken a nose dive. The TG was a nice filter at one time.

The date code on this was A70602, which I believe to be March 1, 2017. Would make sense, since I bought it on clearance for like $3 at Walmart a few years ago when Fram "updated" the Tough Guard.

Still a good filter, just a bit wide at the seam, which it seems (ha, no pun intended) is a common issue with many filter makers.
This is a know tear spot for Purolator filters, but has not been a real problem for Fram filters (I think because of the fiber end caps being able to deform instead of tear from metal).

 

[Ignatius]

It seems the quality has taken a nose dive. The TG was a nice filter at one time.

???

What quality concerns are you referring to? The only issue I have with the Tough Guard is the fact that Fram has been putting nitrile ADBV in recent times.

 

[ZeeOSix]

???

What quality concerns are you referring to? The only issue I have with the Tough Guard is the fact that Fram has been putting nitrile ADBV in recent times.

Think the nitrile ADBV thing might have been a temporary thing - supply issues perhaps. Seems people are reporting the silicone ADBV is back in the newer stock now.

 

[blupupher]

???

What quality concerns are you referring to? The only issue I have with the Tough Guard is the fact that Fram has been putting nitrile ADBV in recent times.

I never heard about nitrile ADV in the TG, I know most of the Extra Guard filters had gone back to nitrile, did not know it affected the TG as well.
Not an issue for me, I have a stash of filters for all my vehicles.

 

[Schandyman]

Held up well

 

[Zee09]

???

What quality concerns are you referring to? The only issue I have with the Tough Guard is the fact that Fram has been putting nitrile ADBV in recent times.

A bald man has better pleat spacing than that filter

 

[MParr]

That’s ugly!

 

[Schandyman]

What makes tight pleat spacing better at filtering vs being not so tight?

 

[wemay]

What makes tight pleat spacing better at filtering vs being not at tight?

Not sure it correlates to "better" filtering, but tight pleat spacing means there's more filtering media to hold more filtered material.

 

[53' Stude]

???

What quality concerns are you referring to? The only issue I have with the Tough Guard is the fact that Fram has been putting nitrile ADBV in recent times.

I’ve been running tough guards for very long time and never saw a nitrile ADBV. I sure hope you have proof that tough guards use nitrile ADBV.

 

[dnewton3]

I’ve been running tough guards for very long time and never saw a nitrile ADBV. I sure hope you have proof that tough guards use nitrile ADBV.

I concur. I've been using a lot of TGs over the years. Always been happy with the result and never seen a nitrile ADBV in any of them.

I believe the comment was improperly focused on the TG, whereas the EG had nitrile, then silicone, and back to nitrile (at least for a short time). Whether it's cost savings or supply chain, we'll probably never know.

 

[blupupher]

What makes tight pleat spacing better at filtering vs being not so tight?

As @wemay said, tighter spacing = more media, plus we have seen a lot of filters with wide spacing near the seam tear (mostly Purolator made, but have seen some Fram do it as well).

 

[Ignatius]

I’ve been running tough guards for very long time and never saw a nitrile ADBV. I sure hope you have proof that tough guards use nitrile ADBV.

I concur. I've been using a lot of TGs over the years. Always been happy with the result and never seen a nitrile ADBV in any of them.

I believe the comment was improperly focused on the TG, whereas the EG had nitrile, then silicone, and back to nitrile (at least for a short time). Whether it's cost savings or supply chain, we'll probably never know.

It was discussed in this thread with pictures:

Ph7317

Well that looks blue to me....not black

bobistheoilguy.com

 

[ZeeOSix]

I’ve been running tough guards for very long time and never saw a nitrile ADBV. I sure hope you have proof that tough guards use nitrile ADBV.

There were a few photos posted in this forum a few months ago showing nitrile ADBV in a TG. There was also one with a blue silicone ADBV (EG or TG, don't recall). That's why it seemed to be a supply issue at the time.

 

[Schandyman]

I always was an oe filter guy but lately wix, Mobil 1 and the kn select won my heart.. they look and feel stout. YouTube teardowns show they're quality filters.

 

[ZeeOSix]

What makes tight pleat spacing better at filtering vs being not so tight?

Pretty much every oil filter posted here that had torn media had very wide pleat spacing where the tear occurred. Wide pleat spacing is one main factor that can lead to the media tearing.

 

[blupupher]

There were a few photos posted in this forum a few months ago showing nitrile ADBV in a TG. There was also one with a blue silicone ADBV (EG or TG, don't recall). That's why it seemed to be a supply issue at the time.

It was an Extra Guard with the blue ADV.
Post has 3 identical Extra Guard filters, except a black, orange, and blue ADV.

I think the thread got locked because of bickering about how nitrile and silicone burn differently.

That was the thread that got me to go out and find some PH7317 filters with orange ADV for my few short oil change intervals on my motorcycle.