ive noticed no many people here like fram filters. wy is that? curious. autozone and another local auto parts store here, seel only brands like, fram, mobile 1, ac delco, stp, motorcraft, valvoline. brands like purolater, and amsoil have ot be special ordered. but overall, why the hate on fram?
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3 reasons come to mind for the dislike of Fram's lowest-cost oil filter:
1. Media that likes to push though holes in the metal center tube.
2. Anti drain-back valves that don't work well.
3. Endcaps made from a cardboard-like material.
1. Media that likes to push though holes in the metal center tube.
2. Anti drain-back valves that don't work well.
3. Endcaps made from a cardboard-like material.
Reminds me of....
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.
H. L. Mencken
Just better filters available for the money.
Neither wavin wayne or the rest mentioned the reason I never bought another Fram after cutting one open, the gross lack of media area, 1/3 that of my number's AC, and less than half that of the other low cost brands. Nearly everybody here will agree you can buy a Purolator for about the same price and have a better filter. The older Super Techs were much the same inside as the Purolators, and much cheaper. Most of it and the other Champ brands are using a new design some don't trust, and has not proven itself yet. Most likely, anything you buy, except repainted Frams, such as Pennzoil, will be a better filter.
WOW! i had no idea, fram was that bad: ( and that it had not that much surface area. geesh! purolaters are not availaibe around here: ( i dont like to waut a wek or so, when i do my oil changes. i like ot get as availaibe and go basically. i suppose for what availaibel mobile 1 is the way to go them hugh? how about Acdelco filters? i am basically looking for a filter thats best at filttering. i had read about amsoil ilters, 13 oz. a minute oil flow and rated at 7 to 10 microns!
Mobil 1 filters are arguably the best filters money can buy, but you pay for it. AC delco is supposed to be good, there's a link to an oil filter study on the page before this.
It is questionalbe how important oil filters are. If they did much with modern oil and engines, the junkyards should be full of cars that used Frams. The older AC's were great filters, and likely there is nothing wrong with the current Champ Ecore design if the AC's available use it. Easiest way to spot an Ecore is the black plastic center tube.
labman,
The funny thing is; I would venture to guess that most cars sitting in junkyards DO have a Fram filter on them. Any junkyard lurkers in here that could verify or invalidate my theory?
I assume your analysis would control for market share and reason for car being "junked." The cars that were junked for engine problems would be your best candidate. Of course, you'd have to exclude manufacture defects (e.g. intake gasket leak in GM's) and the like.
Wow, those junkyard lurkers need to brush up on their statistical testing.....
What's wrong with Fram? I've got one on both cars right now and I still have one left.
I seriously question how valid it is sometimes to judge a filter by simply cutting it apart...sure the construction may be lousy, but how about from a scientific point of view?
Do Frams perform significantly worse than comparable filters on shorter drains of 3-5K? No. Now would I buy a Fram for $3.50 if I can get a Purolator Premium Plus for $2.50? No.
Michael
I seriously question how valid it is sometimes to judge a filter by simply cutting it apart...sure the construction may be lousy, but how about from a scientific point of view?
Do Frams perform significantly worse than comparable filters on shorter drains of 3-5K? No. Now would I buy a Fram for $3.50 if I can get a Purolator Premium Plus for $2.50? No.
Michael
How much was the check written out for Micheal?
Frams are oil filters, they filter oil and there are millions of them out there being used right now. Do I buy frams? No, because I can get cheaper filters. This topic is getting old. If you like frams buy them, if you don't stay away from them.
Go listen to a Fram equiped 4.9L Ford straight six being started after it has sat all day.
The knocking will make your hair on your neck stand up!
Frams are marketed as a great product and they sell at a pretty high price. We wouldn't pick on em so much if they sold for $2.00 or less.
But wait, Fram is an official NASCAR sponsor. Mobil 1 oil is also a sponsor. So you can see that only the best products in the world are hooked up with NASCAR. If you keep bashing Fram, you'll have to answer to NASCAR. After a warning, they will make you wear a Jeff Gordon t-shirt, in public, no less.
Given all the filter choices, I prefer to purchase products that are better designed/constructed.
Fram might do fine, but Wix and Purolator look so much better constructed I feel there's more of a safety margin.
I can't think of a single reason to ever buy Fram.
Fram might do fine, but Wix and Purolator look so much better constructed I feel there's more of a safety margin.
I can't think of a single reason to ever buy Fram.
I think this sums up most of our frustrations with Frams. If you want to buy filters from a company that has cut every corner they could to increase profit margins, go right ahead. They still meet the OEM specs so it should be fine. I prefer to spend my money on the white can.
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