Fram Extra Guards

[aquariuscsm]

I never really paid much attention to the oil filter forum until here lately. Fram Extra Guard (classic orange) filters never seem to suffer from failures,unless I've just simply never seen them. That's all I used from the time I started driving up until a few years back when I started using Nissan oem's. Are the Frams just so simplistic in design that there's nothing much in them that can fail?

 

[yvon_la]

The best fram make (bang/$)is their toughguard

 

[C4Dave]

I don't recall seeing many filter failures for anything until the recent Purolator problems.

 

[boundarylayer]

Fram does use better filter media in their ExtraGaurds compared to most other filters. Its 95% @ 20 microns. Its construction is not special at all. I wouldn't use them since their ADBV is nitrile, not the better silicon ones. You have to upgrade to Fram ToughGaurd or Fram Ultra to get the silicon ADBV, and you get better filtration with those too.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The Fram Extra Guards are rated for 5,000 mile changes, so the nitrile ADBV is appropriate. The EGs efficiency is decent. The only thing some people don't like is the end caps and what seems like less media, but again the media area is based on the 5K mile rating. Most might go get a WIX or NAPA Gold (on sale) and use those instead, as the efficiency is the same as the EG and they have a silicone ADBV, and they have metal end caps. A lot of people say "there is a better filter for the same money", which could be true if you looked around and got sale or rebate deals. There is tough competition in this tier of filter. As said the TG is a pretty good step up in efficiency and mileage rating, and has the silicone ADBV and better media for that reason. Fram is running a $2 rebate on the Ultra through the end of August (get form on Fram's website). You can get an Ultra at Walmart for $9 before rebate.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: C4Dave

I don't recall seeing many filter failures for anything until the recent Purolator problems.

There is a big contention on that subject. Some here claim Frams have been failing for the last 10 years, yet when asked to post up a few links proving that happened they can't come up with much of anything. Years from now, if someone looked for Purolator failures they will find tons of talk on this site at least.

 

[boundarylayer]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

The Fram Extra Guards are rated for 5,000 mile changes, so the nitrile ADBV is appropriate. The EGs efficiency is decent.

I've heard the nitrile ADBVs can get too stiff in winter, causing drainback from a failure to seal. This might require a little warping to leak I'd say. Yes they also get worse with age.

 

[901Memphis]

It's not so much the cold that makes the nitrile bad but the heating and cooling cycles. That being said silicone is far superior.

 

[nitehawk55]

Originally Posted By: boundarylayer

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

The Fram Extra Guards are rated for 5,000 mile changes, so the nitrile ADBV is appropriate. The EGs efficiency is decent.

I've heard the nitrile ADBVs can get too stiff in winter, causing drainback from a failure to seal. This might require a little warping to leak I'd say. Yes they also get worse with age.

I'll bet most any oil filter drains back . It's a non issue anyway , your oil system will pressure up in seconds after a cold start and you have residual oil on the parts to protect for that long or longer .

 

[ZeeOSix]

Anyone living is super cold climate or using filters for long OCIs would benefit from using a filter with a silicone ADBV.

 

[nitehawk55]

How many members believe the oil system in your engine retains pressure after the engine has been sitting overnight ? How many believe the oil system retains all of it's oil after the engine is shut off overnight ?

 

[aquariuscsm]

If your oil filter mounts inlet/outlet side up,an ADBV is probably irrelevant,right? I think an Orange Can is going to be my next filter.

 

[nitehawk55]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm

If your oil filter mounts inlet/outlet side up,an ADBV is probably irrelevant,right? I think an Orange Can is going to be my next filter.

That is correct . The rest of the oil will eventually drain out of the oil passages past the crankshaft bearings and back into the sump . If the oil filter is inverted or sits sideways the ADBV might retain some oil in the filter if it seals properly .

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: nitehawk55

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm

If your oil filter mounts inlet/outlet side up,an ADBV is probably irrelevant,right? I think an Orange Can is going to be my next filter.

That is correct . The rest of the oil will eventually drain out of the oil passages past the crankshaft bearings and back into the sump . If the oil filter is inverted or sits sideways the ADBV might retain some oil in the filter if it seals properly .

Read the part in the first post about the test I did on the ADBV. It held oil in the filter for a week. If the ADBV seals as it should, no oil will leak out of the filter back to the sump. ADBV Test And it has been shown that even with filters that mount vertical with base up, the ADBV can also prevent oil from flowing back to the sump depending on exactly where the oil filter is mounted with respect to the oil level in the sump. If the ADBV is above the sump's oil level, then it can prevent oil back flowing to achieve the same level as the sump due to gravity.

 

[nitehawk55]

I said may retail oil if it seals properly , I'm sure some don't .

 

[yvon_la]

Oil filter mounting position determine relevancy of adbv .(is it needed or not)will it work?yes!but the real question is :is it needed ?on a classic v8 with oil filter hanging?I would say yes adbv were probably invented for hanging down filter or the 180 variant.but for a horizontally mounted filter almost same high as the oil pump?adbv isn't needed .if I could buy a tough guard without adbv for my Nissan versa note 2014 .I would install that.but if I owned a corvette 1978 with a 350?I would want a toughguard with adbv

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Originally Posted By: nitehawk55

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm

If your oil filter mounts inlet/outlet side up,an ADBV is probably irrelevant,right? I think an Orange Can is going to be my next filter.

That is correct . The rest of the oil will eventually drain out of the oil passages past the crankshaft bearings and back into the sump . If the oil filter is inverted or sits sideways the ADBV might retain some oil in the filter if it seals properly .

Read the part in the first post about the test I did on the ADBV. It held oil in the filter for a week. If the ADBV seals as it should, no oil will leak out of the filter back to the sump. ADBV Test And it has been shown that even with filters that mount vertical with base up, the ADBV can also prevent oil from flowing back to the sump depending on exactly where the oil filter is mounted with respect to the oil level in the sump. If the ADBV is above the sump's oil level, then it can prevent oil back flowing to achieve the same level as the sump due to gravity.

+1 This becomes obvious when changing the oil filter and oil rushes out.

 

[HangFire]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Originally Posted By: C4Dave

I don't recall seeing many filter failures for anything until the recent Purolator problems.

There is a big contention on that subject. Some here claim Frams have been failing for the last 10 years, yet when asked to post up a few links proving that happened they can't come up with much of anything. Years from now, if someone looked for Purolator failures they will find tons of talk on this site at least.

This is either a reading comprehension fail or a deliberate mis-characterization. The discussion was about Frams failing from ten years ago and more. Thus, it's hard to find pics, links or even discussions, but I did find one. Somehow you turn that into "for the last 10 years". That's a completely non-overlapping period of time.

 

[SilverC6]

That's why the FRAM OCOD with its high quality construction has been the "darling" of BITOG all these many years.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: HangFire

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Originally Posted By: C4Dave

I don't recall seeing many filter failures for anything until the recent Purolator problems.

There is a big contention on that subject. Some here claim Frams have been failing for the last 10 years, yet when asked to post up a few links proving that happened they can't come up with much of anything. Years from now, if someone looked for Purolator failures they will find tons of talk on this site at least.

This is either a reading comprehension fail or a deliberate mis-characterization. The discussion was about Frams failing from ten years ago and more. Thus, it's hard to find pics, links or even discussions, but I did find one. Somehow you turn that into "for the last 10 years". That's a completely non-overlapping period of time.

That is what grampi claimed - failures over the last 10 years, not the last failure was 10 years ago. I said show us some links then, and nothing was produced and I searched and found basically nothing.