Fram Extra Guard CH10246 - FAIL!!!

A

AdmiralYoda

Joined
Jan 23, 2013
Messages
502
Location
MA
2021 GMC Canyon with a 3.6L w/61k miles. 90% highway usage with 5k OCI's. Normally I use Mobil1 EP 5W-30 and a Fram Ultra Synthetic XG10246. I'm switching over to HPL Premium Plus 5W-30 so I figured I'd do a quick 1,500 mile OCI to "rinse" the engine out. Overkill, but I had everything on hand.

I had two bottles of Rislone lying around so I put them both in for the heck of it. The engine is clean already, but again...overkill. Since it was a quick OCI I used Supertech synthetic and a Fram Extra Guard CH10246.

See below for the pictures of the CH10246. It looks like it was caving in! The bottom cap was warped and the top cap was barely holding on. It basically fell off in my hand. Not sure if the Rislone had anything to do with it but ****! Why is it so hard to make oil filters these days? I don't even know if this filter was filtering?!?!

Installed a XG10246 and HPL oil. I'll be swapping the filter in 1-2k to see if anything weird is going on.

20250214_120206.webp
20250214_120217.webp
20250214_120213.webp
20250214_120410.webp
 
You really can't over tighten the cap on these without breaking it. It dead-heads at the seal. I'm wondering if the filer came off of the little plastic tabs and got crushed during installation?

I had a 2022 GMC Canyon, and liked the truck other than the oil filter housing. What a pain to get to. And filter quality is just meh in my opinion.

Edit - I just thought of this: how is the condition of that inner core piece that is attached to the bottom of the filter housing? Could that be damaged?
 
crashz said:
You really can't over tighten the cap on these without breaking it. It dead-heads at the seal. I'm wondering if the filer came off of the little plastic tabs and got crushed during installation?
Click to expand...
That would be my bet, and to answer the original question, that filter was severely compromised in its ability to filter. On the plus side, the oil on the filter does not look too bad. But to be clear, imo, it's not the Rislone, not the filter. It was an installation error. That is the reason you rotate the housing before meshing the housing threads, waiting for the filter to seat. Best wishes.
 
AdmiralYoda said:
Not sure if the Rislone had anything to do with it but ****!
Click to expand...
Have you ever ran the Rislone before? Hard to say if the filter was effected or not from it without more testing. Filter didn't like the flow dP across it. Built-in filter bypass working correctly? Watch future filters.

Filter length being a bit too long could be a factor too as others have already mentioned.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone! No, I've never run Rislone in this engine before. I just had some lying around and figured, why not. The inner "core" that the filter slides over is there and intact, no obvious issues. I've done all my own oil changes since I bought this truck at 20k and never saw a filter end up like this.

When I install the filter I snap it onto the cap, slide it over the inner core of the filter housing and tighten. Basically the reverse of removal. When you loosen and remove the cap the filter comes with it.

Am I hearing that I should install the filter into the housing, then install the cap and tighten...hoping I hear the filter and cap "snap" into place?

@crashz When I removed the cap the filter came with it and was still "snapped" in place. The tabs are all there and in good shape.
 
No, your procedure is correct. Snap the filter in the cap and then thread the whole thing onto the housing. While I haven't change it on the same vehicle as yours, ALL the vehicles I've worked on from VW to Mercedes to Toyota has been the same.
 
AdmiralYoda said:
2021 GMC Canyon with a 3.6L w/61k miles. 90% highway usage with 5k OCI's. Normally I use Mobil1 EP 5W-30 and a Fram Ultra Synthetic XG10246. I'm switching over to HPL Premium Plus 5W-30 so I figured I'd do a quick 1,500 mile OCI to "rinse" the engine out. Overkill, but I had everything on hand.

I had two bottles of Rislone lying around so I put them both in for the heck of it. The engine is clean already, but again...overkill. Since it was a quick OCI I used Supertech synthetic and a Fram Extra Guard CH10246.

See below for the pictures of the CH10246. It looks like it was caving in! The bottom cap was warped and the top cap was barely holding on. It basically fell off in my hand. Not sure if the Rislone had anything to do with it but ****! Why is it so hard to make oil filters these days? I don't even know if this filter was filtering?!?!

Installed a XG10246 and HPL oil. I'll be swapping the filter in 1-2k to see if anything weird is going on.

View attachment 263452View attachment 263453View attachment 263454View attachment 263455
Click to expand...
Roll that beautiful bean footage! 🤣🤣🤣
 
AdmiralYoda said:
The inner "core" that the filter slides over is there and intact, no obvious issues. I've done all my own oil changes since I bought this truck at 20k and never saw a filter end up like this.
Click to expand...
How much gap is between the filter and the inner core it slides over in the housing? Same as other filters, or more gap? I take it the filter does not have any kind of center tube/core, just pleats that are stopped from imploding by the built in inner core in the filter housing.
 
No, it sounds like you are already doing it the correct way. Snap the filter onto the cap first and gently install over the core. Seat the threads and torque down.

May be the filter length is too long? Some thing caused it to crush along its length, which would lead to installation, not oil pressure. The oil pressure is uniform around the entire pleated area, so collapsing the length is hard to imagine.

Might be worth a test fit on a known good (new) filter and see if it does the same. Measure lengths to confirm.
 
Not sure what is going here but that cap sure looks distortedto me, something was not right. I've never seen a used cartridge oil filter with a cap distorted like that.
 
It has an hour-glass shape, the mid-point between the end caps is pushed in further indicating the oil flow dP was causing some of that. If there's a big air gap between the center hole of the filter and the inner filter housing core, the dP could be causing the filter to collapse inward until the pleats hit the inner core. Many possible factors may be involved.
 
The filter has to be fully seated in the cap. If it isn’t when it bottoms out, the element has to turn in the cap. It’s not loose in the cap so twists and crushes down the element. The replacement has to be the same length as the original or the same thing happens.
 
Fair enough said:
The filter has to be fully seated in the cap. If it isn’t when it bottoms out, the element has to turn in the cap. It’s not loose in the cap so twists and crushes down the element. The replacement has to be the same length as the original or the same thing happens.
Click to expand...
This gets my vote.

Had a 2017 Colorado with the 3.6L and used nothing but AC Delco filters that were Hengst made.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

C
Fram Tough Guard Opinions ?
Replies
17
Views
609
Blagoje
BrokenAudiTT
Fram titanium and extra guard okay to use?
Replies
7
Views
528
ZeeOSix
BrendanC
OG Fram Titanium FS3593a C&P
Replies
6
Views
222
ZeeOSix
Charmet37
Fram Extra Guard Vs Tough Guard
Replies
15
Views
3K
stash80
S
2022 Hyundai Palisade 3.8 L V6. - Any concern using Fram Extra Guard CH11934 Oil Filter with 7000 mile service interval
Replies
8
Views
550
wemay
Back
Top Bottom