Fram Extra Guard - 5000km

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Up here at Walmart the basic Fram for my wife's Civic is $6 (the ones for my Vette are closer to $10!), while the Quaker State is $6.99 at Canadian Tire. The cheapest filter I have found is the Motomaster filter from Canadian Tire, it's around $4.50 for the Civic (and based on pics we've seen here of one of a new Chinese made one cut open it looks to be very high quality!).

We definitely have a small selection of filters up here. And considering that our dollar is practically at par with the US dollar, our prices are outrageous.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac




That being the case, it would seem they could at least sell you the very decent Extended Guard for a reasonable price. From what I've read, that's not even possible.


Every once in a while Partsource has them on sale for $9.99, so that's not too bad. Right now they are 10% off, which is $11.69.
 
$6.00-10 for an orange can, darn. The Quaker State that was cut open on the other thread looked decent, similar to the Classic. ~$10 for the Extended Guard isn't too bad and sounds like a best value.

One question, can you bring oil filters etc. across the border with no problem, or how does that work?
 
Based on these pics I would use the Orange can if it was part of Auto Zone oil change special, but can't see my self spending $4 for one, when I can get an ST for under $3.
 
Is Purolator still making the Quaker State filters? The had some at CTC the other night, didn`t notice the price.

Not sure how I posted this in the Subi thread?
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Patman, Can you not get WIX or NAPA? If I go to a part store I can get a good price on WIX. $9 for the 57082 for the G5 and only $6 something for the 51040 for the G6.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac


One question, can you bring oil filters etc. across the border with no problem, or how does that work?


We can definitely do that, they might charge a small duty fee when coming back, but for one or two filters I'm sure they wouldn't bother. I should have stocked up on filters when I went across to Niagara Falls NY last summer. I tried to find some Extended Guard filters for the Corvette but neither Autozone or Pep Boys had them. (but in hindsight I still should've have grabbed some filters for my wife's car!)
 
Originally Posted By: cp3
Is Purolator still making the Quaker State filters? The had some at CTC the other night, didn`t notice the price.


When I bought one a couple of months ago it was $6.99, and it looks to me like it's still a rebadged Purolator

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Patman, Can you not get WIX or NAPA? If I go to a part store I can get a good price on WIX. $9 for the 57082 for the G5 and only $6 something for the 51040 for the G6.


There is a place near my wife's work that sells Wix filters and there are a lot of NAPAs in my area too. But at both places it ends up costing me around $14 for the NAPA Gold or Wix filter for my Vette, so the XG is still the better deal when it's on sale. (NAPAs sales never seem to be advertised up here, so I never know when to check them out and stock up)
 
yeah selection up here isn't the greatest, i don't even see ST's at wally's... pure frams. This is the reason i have an XG on my car now, it's just easy to get compared to everything else.

Although there are NAPA stores nearby...
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Yeah it does seem that the orange can doesn't have much if any competition. Seems like a monopoly. No question though, it works out well if you're Honeywell.

That being the case, it would seem they could at least sell you the very decent Extended Guard for a reasonable price. From what I've read, that's not even possible.

You're right though, the Classic at $3.49 vs the orange can is not a tough choice.


You're not kidding. As for paying close to $10 for the orange can, depending on application, I'm simply not prepared to do that. If I can get a Motorcraft filter for a bit less money, and a Wix for substantially less, I'm going to do so.

For whatever reason, one of the local Ford dealers has a decent price on Motorcraft filters. Twenty years ago, each time I bought one, it was a different price, anywhere from $3 to $9 for the same part number. Now, they're steady at a price that beats most online suppliers.

All in all, the selection in my location isn't bad, with a couple caveats. If one wishes to buy a filter at a later hour, one is mostly stuck with Walmart or Canadian Tire and their massive Fram displays, aside from a couple parts stores that might have extended hours. The prices, too, leave a lot to be desired. I pay around $6 for a Wix 51515, and that's with my 35% discount.
 
I have the price fluctuation at NAPA, seems if I don't get one of two guys (owner/manager?) I have to pay list. Almost $14 for the 7082 cartridge compared to $9 for a WIX at the parts store. Hours at NAPA are better though.

I'll have to check Walmart for the XG, think here they might only have EG or TG.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
But,the PH4967 is $4.39 at Advance and listed at $3.99 at AZone, maybe a little less at Wally.
But, not at my local Wally, it's $4.24, hard to imagine.

fyi, the 4967 is the smaller (very small) version of the 7317. If I were the OP I would change to the longer 7317. Having owned an 89 Geo Prizm (Corolla), in addition to being a bigger filter, it was easier to access and install. And, for $2.84 the non Ecore ST would be a very good option. Still not available in Canada though.

Another related question, hypothetically, if one were to bring in a small personal stash of oil filters across the border without paying a duty, would it be any big deal. Again, hypothetically speaking.
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Originally Posted By: sayjac
Another related question, hypothetically, if one were to bring in a small personal stash of oil filters across the border without paying a duty, would it be any big deal. Again, hypothetically speaking.
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If they're Made in the USA, auto parts are duty free when imported into Canada.
 
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Originally Posted By: sayjac
Another related question, hypothetically, if one were to bring in a small personal stash of oil filters across the border without paying a duty, would it be any big deal. Again, hypothetically speaking.
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If they're Made in the USA, auto parts are duty free when imported into Canada.

So, (driving) you could buy some in the US, declare them at the border and not have to pay a duty, if made in the US?
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
So, (driving) you could buy some in the US, declare them at the border and not have to pay a duty, if made in the US?


That's correct. After further research, the same applies to goods made in Mexico, since NAFTA applies to Mexico as well. CCRA states that the items must be marked Made in Canada, Made in Mexico, or Made in USA, or, alternatively, have no markings indicating they are made outside those three countries.

You may have to pay GST, depending on what exemptions are available for your length of stay, but duty free. They also have to be for personal use. If you try to bring a semi load of Wix filters to sell to us price-deprived northerners, you'll face duty.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Ok, educate me, what is GST?


What cp3 said. As an American, you may be able to get the GST back (or avoid paying it in the first place) if it's for personal consumption while in Canada (i.e. changing your oil on a trip, and brought your own filter). The GST is 5%, and the paperwork might not be worth the hassle for a filter or a few filters.
 
Originally Posted By: labman
Hummm, Canadians combine cold winters with Fram filters. Do engines wear out faster in Canada?


He he, I couldn't answer that in any credible, robust fashion. Out of simple preference or stereotype, I don't use Fram filters. I suppose part of the reason is the cost. They don't have an attractive price point in Canada, yet they're everywhere.

I tend to use Motorcraft and Wix. When I can get either of those at approximately the same price as a Fram, the Fram isn't going to win. I would agree with the posters who state that the Fram is good enough for the average oil change interval, and should be no problem for 3,000 mile intervals. Considering their market permeation, though, their price bothers me. As others have noted, it's almost to the point of monopolization.

Walmart in the U.S. has alternatives. Years back, one could buy AC filters in some Canadian Walmarts. Now, everything is simply Fram - no choice. Canadian Tire is hardly better, and PartSource (a Canadian Tire entity) is the same, with a few Bosch filters thrown in for Europeans.

There are enough trucking outfits here that I could get a Stratapore or Baldwin, I suppose. I've considered going that route to see what price I could get. Right now, I get 35% off Wix at a local parts store, and that's my best deal so far.
 
Originally Posted By: labman
Hummm, Canadians combine cold winters with Fram filters. Do engines wear out faster in Canada?


You know, I had a day off and I did some checking at the local parts stores. It was not a good day.

One local place used to sell FleetGuards and Purolators. They sell neither any longer. They do sell Wix, however. I get Wix cheaper elsewhere.

I checked two FleetGuard dealers in town, and none sell the FL1A equivalent. There are a couple others to check yet.

PartSource sells basically Fram, with Bosch thrown in for imports, and K&Ns. For my Audi 200, the Bosch is nice to have. However, I can get the Wix locally or the Bosch online, both at half the price.

Canadian Tire is Fram Central. The Walmart Super Centre has only Fram, and not even the Extended Guard, which would be a nice option. The PH8A there runs $5. I'm not paying that for an orange can, when I can get Wix at the same price.

So, as it stands, I'm stuck with Motorcraft and Wix. Those are both pretty much my top choices, so that's okay. More choice would be nice, however.
 
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