Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister

[Bill7]

What models … XG, TG, PH ?

If they are fiber end caps I would not be that concerned, regardless of the few fiber end cap filters shown in flashlight tests because there's a 100% seal impression shown on those examples. The leaf spring needs to be in the same exact position on the end cap as assembled before cutting open for the light test, and if not the seal test is invalid.

So a Fram PH7317 will have the fiber end caps right, and the fiber end cap design doesn’t leak.

If that is correct, I can continue buying the Fram PH7317 filters since they don’t leak, right?

 

[ZeeOSix]

So a Fram PH7317 will have the fiber end caps right, and the fiber end cap design doesn’t leak.

If that is correct, I can continue buying the Fram PH7317 filters since they don’t leak, right?

Yes, they have fiber end caps. They shouldn't leak at the leaf spring unless the leaf spring can't sit down completely on the end cap due to the center but protruding, but that is very rare to see.

 

[Fair enough]

Again ... these claims on their website do not correlate with the official M+H spec sheets for the same filter models.

Website:
https://www.purolatornow.com/en/products/oil-filters/purolator-one.html
*Based on ISO 4548-12 at 20 microns on PL30001

But ... 99% @ 25u per ISO 4548-12.

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Website:
https://www.purolatornow.com/en/products/oil-filters/purolator-boss.html
*Based on ISO 4548-12 at 25 microns on PBL30001

But ... 99% >46u per ISO 4548-12.

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I had to spend time finding this again. It does have a side bar, dated 2000. It has something like I said but it wasn’t as remembered. It does say something about third parties. Subject to change without notice.
Now I see it is from MH Germany, forget this and take the USA website for the correct information. To take this over official efficiency data published in 2024 by Purolator USA is not correct. We buy our filters from USA, and rely on the USA information.

Whip City shows the Boss and Wix XP duke out to have good microscope pictures with no holes at all.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I had to spend time finding this again. It does have a side bar, dated 2000. It has something like I said but it wasn’t as remembered. It does say something about third parties. Subject to change without notice.
Now I see it is from MH Germany, forget this and take the USA website for the correct information. To take this over official efficiency data published in 2024 by Purolator USA is not correct. We buy our filters from USA, and rely on the USA information.

Whip City shows the Boss and Wix XP duke out to have good microscope pictures with no holes at all.

I told you in the other thread what the Spec Sheets says on the left margin. It's not for internal use only. It says they reserve the right to decide to pass the information on to third parties or not. If they email the Spec Sheets to someone, then they've decided to share it with the public.

Purolator is owned by M+H, and M+H has Spec Sheets for the Purolator oil filters - they are now responsible to manage and represent Purolator. Just because they are not "a USA company" doesn't mean the data is invalid. Everything points to the efficiency claim on Purolator's website to be invalid - no test data seen correlated to 99% @ 25u for any Boss filter.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Whip City shows the Boss and Wix XP duke out to have good microscope pictures with no holes at all.

Plenty of holes and light coming through seen in the WCW media zoom shot on the Boss PBL3675 shown in another thread.

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Post in thread 'Pentius PLXL 7317 Initial Impressions vs Microgard Select'

Jan 5, 2025

maybe i am fetching a bit but since microgard is 25 micron and 99%, maybe we can assume or hypothesize that the pentius is closer to that number rather then closer to the lower 20 micron that pentius seems to say

The Pentius XL whipcity close up looks about like the American companies claiming a similar efficiency like the Mobil 1, Fram Tough Guard and Champ XL so it could very well be accurate. The Vietnam factory AFI that makes most of the Premium Guard extended life filters has the most dense looking material that I have seen which are the Microgard Select, Carquest...

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[Fair enough]

I had to spend time finding this again. It does have a side bar, dated 2000. It has something like I said but it wasn’t as remembered. It does say something about third parties. Subject to change without notice.
Now I see it is from MH Germany, forget this and take the USA website for the correct information. To take this over official efficiency data published in 2024 by Purolator USA is not correct. We buy our filters from USA, and rely on the USA information.

I told you in the other thread what the Spec Sheets says on the left margin. It's not for internal use only. It says they reserve the right to decide to pass the information on to third parties or not. If they email the Spec Sheets to someone, then they've decided to share it with the public.

Purolator is owned by M+H, and M+H has Spec Sheets for the Purolator oil filters - they are now responsible to manage and represent Purolator. Just because they are not "a USA company" doesn't mean the data is invalid. Everything points to the efficiency claim on Purolator's website to be invalid - no test data seen correlated to 99% @ 25u for any Boss filter.

I told you in this thread, and the margin is shown. You seem to not have read what I said here, but are back on internal memo.
The spec sheet is invalid. Look at the date, they didn’t even make the Boss then. Germany Mann is not Purolator USA owned by Mann. No way you can make the current website wrong. Talk it all you want. You accept Oreilly just fine with your Vietnam filter. The reason you can’t see is because you buy the Vietnam, face it.

 

[Fair enough]

Plenty of holes and light coming through seen in the WCW media zoom shot on the Boss PBL3675 shown in another thread.

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Post in thread 'Pentius PLXL 7317 Initial Impressions vs Microgard Select'

Jan 5, 2025

maybe i am fetching a bit but since microgard is 25 micron and 99%, maybe we can assume or hypothesize that the pentius is closer to that number rather then closer to the lower 20 micron that pentius seems to say

The Pentius XL whipcity close up looks about like the American companies claiming a similar efficiency like the Mobil 1, Fram Tough Guard and Champ XL so it could very well be accurate. The Vietnam factory AFI that makes most of the Premium Guard extended life filters has the most dense looking material that I have seen which are the Microgard Select, Carquest...

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So then WCW’s method is useless according to you. I use the Boss 4967 so am good. No holes on Boss or Wix as you have seen in the pictures.
Wait, you think that is the Boss? It’s a standard Pentius. The media is nothing like the Boss, not at all.

 

[kschachn]

I told you in this thread, and the margin is shown. You seem to not have read what I said here, but are back on internal memo.
The spec sheet is invalid. Look at the date, they didn’t even make the Boss then. Germany Mann is not Purolator USA owned by Mann. No way you can make the current website wrong. Talk it all you want. You accept Oreilly just fine with your Vietnam filter. The reason you can’t see is because you buy the Vietnam, face it.

What?

 

[Glenda W.]

I told you in this thread, and the margin is shown. You seem to not have read what I said here, but are back on internal memo.
The spec sheet is invalid. Look at the date, they didn’t even make the Boss then. Germany Mann is not Purolator USA owned by Mann. No way you can make the current website wrong. Talk it all you want. You accept Oreilly just fine with your Vietnam filter. The reason you can’t see is because you buy the Vietnam, face it.

No need to get upset. Just run the Boss if it makes you feel better. You’ll keep some people employed here(for now) and the profits will go to Germany. Bonus will be Asian OEM efficiency.

 

[Mewbs]

You’ll keep some people employed here(for now)

I wonder who those people are?

 

[Glenda W.]

I wonder who those people are?

Poor guys had the pride of craftsmanship sucked right out of them.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I told you in this thread, and the margin is shown. You seem to not have read what I said here, but are back on internal memo.
The spec sheet is invalid. Look at the date, they didn’t even make the Boss then. Germany Mann is not Purolator USA owned by Mann. No way you can make the current website wrong. Talk it all you want. You accept Oreilly just fine with your Vietnam filter. The reason you can’t see is because you buy the Vietnam, face it.

Go read what the margin on the Spec Sheet says ... it's not for internal use only. It says they reserve the right to distribute the data. That copyright date is most likely for the Spec Sheet form, not the data in the Spec Sheet. Why don't you contact them and find out for yourself if those specs are current and accurate instead of latching on to some footnote on Purolator's website.

 

[ZeeOSix]

So then WCW’s method is useless according to you. I use the Boss 4967 so am good. No holes on Boss or Wix as you have seen in the pictures.
Wait, you think that is the Boss? It’s a standard Pentius. The media is nothing like the Boss, not at all.

Well then Whip City mis-labeled it since the Pentius standard filter is a "PLB" prefix, where as the BOSS is "PBL" prefix.

 

[Glenda W.]

Here’s the Boss and XP media’s. Definitely some light spots/holes. WCW three months ago.

 

[Bill7]

Fram really went and messed up their perfect filter line; the OG Ultra, and what’s worse is offer an “upgraded” super premium line that is apparently defective out of the box.

Corporate greed strikes again. I don’t want to buy their brand anymore based on their ethics alone. You have a perfect product and then go this route.

Thanks for doing the work to dissect these!

Wonder if an email would make any difference or what kind of response it would generate?

I still use the Fram 4 year / 40,000 mile air filters available only at Walmart. I noticed on the box that they are made in China.
I wonder if these Fram air filters have been cheapened and new defects introduced?

 

[Fair enough]

I tried looking for that pbl35296, my internet must be broken, but didn’t spend too much time on it.

I already posted this wcw link that shows the xp and boss have no holes. Notice the look gray. How many times does it take?


On the Pentius it’s ok to say you missed it z06. I figured it out but at first also missed it. Show the whole set of pictures. I think it’s clear. I have done enough copying and pasting for now.

Here is another whip city with nice Boss media. Gorgeous media like Marilyn Monroe.

 

[ZeeOSix]

On the Pentius it’s ok to say you missed it z06. I figured it out but at first also missed it.

Just going by how it was labeled by WCW … not going to try and "mind read" all possible misprints, lol.

Since the WCW video seems to indicate that the Boss and XP look like the same exact media, what's Wix's claim of the XP efficiency … "Proprietary"?

 

[Fair enough]

Just going by how it was labeled by WCW … not going to try and "mind read" all possible misprints, lol.

Since the WCW video seems to indicate that the Boss and XP look like the same exact media, what's Wix's claim of the XP efficiency … "Proprietary"?

Maybe you could stop? You think I didn’t think of that? I looked it up they don’t show anything on the website. Oh that’s right only Oreilly knows.
The Pentius media is nothing like Boss that’s why you have to look at the whole set of pictures. But you clipped them off of there. It’s ok to say you missed it, nobody cares you know. I didn’t mind read and didn’t know what the pentius numbers are, but I realized that was a pentius looking at the whole set with the descriptions. Oh well.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Maybe you could stop? You think I didn’t think of that? I looked it up they don’t show anything on the website. Oh that’s right only Oreilly knows.

Yeah, that's right, Wix has ZERO information on the Wix XP efficiency, except it's "99%" with no micron size - why do you think they don't really say what it is? … at least for the largest model they make. If Wix won't tell the public, then they aren't going to tell just O'Reilly's. Call their Tech Line and ask them, bet they tell you it's "proprietary".That's what M+H should show for the Boss instead of 99% >46 microns per ISO 4548-12, lol.

Only thing O'Reilly's shows for the XP is "Micron rating: 21 microns". Means absolutely nothing useful.

 

[Glenda W.]

Acsent proved with 4548-12 testing that the Boss spec sheet is correct. It’s always been a rock catcher just like the Wix XP. I’m not paying a premium price for OEM efficiency and choked louvers with a cut ADBV.

M+H has destroyed two iconic US filter companies. I used Wix for over 20 years and watched M+H turn them into . Those NC boys were proud craftsman at one time but those days are long gone. I will not support M+H.

From a Boss c&p here….