Probably due to the price. The Endurance is only sold at Walmart, so most will just buy a cheaper option or switch the Endurance into a Fram PH box and get it that way.
Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister
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Proof isn't based on odds ... it's based on facts. Fact is, nobody knows if the tested filters had leak gaps or not. You sure are latched on to your own dead horse gaslighting.
Show me an Endurance that’s perfectly sealed and I’ll shut upProof isn't based on odds ... it's based on facts. Fact is, nobody knows if the tested filters had leak gaps or not. You sure are latched on to your own dead horse gaslighting.
And no…..not gonna sacrifice mine because 1) I know the answer 2) The Endurance that Whip tested and failed was made within a month of mine 3) unfortunately won’t “prove“ anything either way, since it’s not being tested.
But it would shut me up if it’s sealed
So, I invite anyone here to perform that potentially rewarding task!
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BTW , Found this post from FEB 24 on a blog "Clean MPG". Owner had 21 Prius Prime and this uses FE 4967 Filter which has a BYPASS.
This doesn't prove anything...just is what it is. Take it for what it's worth.
"Hi All:
While I am not an ordinary power driver - accumulated miles, not power, and most vehicles are not Hybrids or Plug-in Hybrids like my 21 Prime is, I completed the 30k mile OCI using the new Fram “Synthetic Endurance” filter and Mobil1 0W-16 Synthetic oil. I was watching the color change beginning at 10k and continuing every 5k miles through 30k miles. I know this is not an analysis, but the color is how I was judging the effectiveness of not just a Prius Prime's combustion cleanliness and blow by between 195k miles to 225k miles when I had it changed but the effectiveness of the filter. Because this is a Prius, about 30 to 40% of the vehicle run time is on the battery so in actuality, the engine miles were more along the lines of 20k miles. In any case, at 10k, there was essentially no color change. At 15k, it started to turn. At 20k, it was a little darker, and at 25k, it was finally turning dark. At 30k, I took it in for the OC."
This doesn't prove anything...just is what it is. Take it for what it's worth.
"Hi All:
While I am not an ordinary power driver - accumulated miles, not power, and most vehicles are not Hybrids or Plug-in Hybrids like my 21 Prime is, I completed the 30k mile OCI using the new Fram “Synthetic Endurance” filter and Mobil1 0W-16 Synthetic oil. I was watching the color change beginning at 10k and continuing every 5k miles through 30k miles. I know this is not an analysis, but the color is how I was judging the effectiveness of not just a Prius Prime's combustion cleanliness and blow by between 195k miles to 225k miles when I had it changed but the effectiveness of the filter. Because this is a Prius, about 30 to 40% of the vehicle run time is on the battery so in actuality, the engine miles were more along the lines of 20k miles. In any case, at 10k, there was essentially no color change. At 15k, it started to turn. At 20k, it was a little darker, and at 25k, it was finally turning dark. At 30k, I took it in for the OC."
This just keeps getting worse and worse….
Never implied that did I?....BTW I posted a particle efficiency test by BR and of course it's been conveniently panned as "inconclusive".....yes indeed....wasn't confirmed a leaker...yes... of course^^^ Nothing, like an actual particle count, to even try to correlate oil color to filter efficiency. Really going into the weeds now ... in other words, another speculation.
I never said or implied you did … you keep gaslighting yourself, lol. I was making the point that the guy you quoted is just another speculator of what he thinks is happening with zero proof of his speculation. His whole "conclusion" (and you bought into it, lol) was based on a visual color of the oil. It's been pointed out many times on this board that oil color isn't a good way to "analyze" what's going on with the oil. He doesn't even have side by side oil color blots at the same mileage intervals of the two different oil and filter runs. Plus what other factors may have been involed on this Prius that doesn't use the ICE all the time. He should not ever get into the scientific and test field.Never implied that did I?....BTW I posted a particle efficiency test by BR and of course it's been conveniently panned as "inconclusive".....yes indeed....wasn't confirmed a leaker...yes... of course
And yes, without proof, one way or the other, about a leak gap effect on a filter's efficiency you need proof of the correlation …. It's just speculation otherwise.
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We live in a world of speculation.., I welcome it! There’s nothing inherently sinister about it. It’s what makes us human.
In this case it begs the question …Are the ONLY filter result’s available to us representative of an Endurance filter currently available.
You say we don’t have enough “proof”. My position is this…..what would a rational person deduce based on what WE DO HAVE. We know there has been no instance of an Endurance passing the light gap test. We know the results of an Endurance particle test compared to its peers. This begs speculation… and rightly so. It’s all we have right now. So far, the weight of evidence…”circumstantial” as it may be, points to superior filtration in a filter that, in all probability, has a bypass “flaw” that’s relatively inconsequential.
Those that wish to set aside any judgments until a test on a leaking filter is performed,
are welcome to do so…I have no problem with that. I already have all the information I require.
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In this case it begs the question …Are the ONLY filter result’s available to us representative of an Endurance filter currently available.
You say we don’t have enough “proof”. My position is this…..what would a rational person deduce based on what WE DO HAVE. We know there has been no instance of an Endurance passing the light gap test. We know the results of an Endurance particle test compared to its peers. This begs speculation… and rightly so. It’s all we have right now. So far, the weight of evidence…”circumstantial” as it may be, points to superior filtration in a filter that, in all probability, has a bypass “flaw” that’s relatively inconsequential.
Those that wish to set aside any judgments until a test on a leaking filter is performed,
are welcome to do so…I have no problem with that. I already have all the information I require.
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“this Prius that doesn't use the ICE all the time. He should not ever get into the scientific and test field”I never said or implied you did … you keep gaslighting yourself, lol. I was making the point that the guy you quoted is just another speculator of what he thinks is happening with zero proof of his speculation. His whole "conclusion" (and you bought into it, lol) was based on a visual color of the oil. It's been pointed out many times on this board that oil color isn't a good way to "analyze" what's going on with the oil. He doesn't even have side by side oil color blots at the same mileage intervals of the two different oil and filter runs. Plus what other factors may have been involed on this Prius that doesn't use the ICE all the time. He should not ever get into the scientific and test field.
And yes, without proof, one way or the other, about a leak gap effect on a filter's efficiency you need proof of the correlation …. It's just speculation otherwise.
Did you read his comment on this? Lol
Read it
That's a good reason to stop the never ending horse beating trying to make everyone else believe what you believe without any actual proof, just speculation of what you want to believe.
Of course I read it, and my comment stands on what he said. Zero science involved at all. Just some guy's opinion based on his visual judgment of oil color over two long OCIs with zero comparidlsions between them except his "memory", and the supposed cause.
Huh????Of course I read it, and my comment stands on what he said. Zero science involved at all. Just some guy's opinion based on his visual judgment of oil color over two long OCIs with zero comparidlsions between them except his "memory", and the supposed cause.
Your words >>
“this Prius that doesn't use the ICE all the time.”
You specifically sited the issue on not taking into account the IC time which he did. Period end of story.
Not trying to “make” anyone do squat.That's a good reason to stop the never ending horse beating trying to make everyone else believe what you believe without any actual proof, just speculation of what you want to believe.
You decide. You couldn’t live or survive a single day without “speculation”. It’s something we all do thousands of times each and every day.
Fortunately in this case , it’s not life or death, but it’s still alive and well.
There have been countless people in life or death situations and if they waited for
“proof” they’d be gone.
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The point is, the ICE in a hybrid doesn't run in the same operating conditions that a regular ICE powered car. Like said, there could be other factors involved and the the guy was making a conclusion of filter performance based on just the color of the oil. ZERO science involve, only speculation - not even a simple test with oil color blots to try and compare them to each other between the two OCIs and filters used - let alone an actual controlled PC test. He didn't even say what oil and filter was used on the previous OCI, so did he even have anything to compare to this OCI? It's all cryptic information that absoluely nothing can be concluded from. People who operate on speculation all the time are also prime candidates for flat earth and no moon landing conspiracy theories.
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“I already have all the information I require”That's a good reason to stop the never ending horse beating trying to make everyone else believe what you believe without any actual proof, just speculation of what you want to believe.
He has the worst case of the “Dunning-Kruger effect” I’ve seen on BITOG since I started reading here in 2002!
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No proof one way or the other, true. But the gap concern doesn't sit well with me. I'll buy filters with no evidence of gaps moving forward. Returned my FE12060 for TG12060 and PH12060 yesterday.
A gap has been spotted with the TG as well. Presumably, the PH can also have a gap due to everything being the same apart from the media.
Whatever else we think of Brand Reports youtube channel testing, it was interesting how bad the TG & PH were. The PH is one of the worst ones they've tested and even has particles above 70 micron in size which almost no other filter recorded. The TG performed only slightly better than a WIX XP.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ashlight-test-in-canister.386911/post-7008668
The contradictions compared to actual iso tests are many. The Boss has never beat the Ultra, TG, or Royal Purple ever. BR can’t be relied upon for anything. Way to many controls were not followed.
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