Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister
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Thanks! We’ve definitely seen a lot of variation on severity.
A little sloppy glue on the stp otherwise much better QC. Appears PG built.
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I "highly" doubt it too. That said, as 'some' comments show that idea has been posited more than once in this thread including within the last day of twos comments. I suppose it's to make one feel better about an FE purchase and use, and/or just in denial about what the light seen means.
As for the flat stamped spring design, having personally c&p many filters here with stamped spring and Napa Gold/(Wix) with coil compression spring, I can say, the "spring tension" with the former is minimal as compared to the latter. There is enough to hold the element properly in place, and when cut open will show very minimal rise between two parts of canister. Otoh, the coil compression spring will exhibit distinct spacing left when can cut. So, it is easily possible to replicate stamped flat spring tension outside the can. With that experience, I'm satisfied the light seen an accurate presentation of the opening space, and what that means.
I'll leave others to debate/discuss the whys and wherefores, I focus more on the practical. Just no need for me to purchase a filter like FE using this seal design. Perhaps, the powers that be will address the issue at some point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just to be absolutely clear I never thought or wrote it is designed to leak. Has anyone else actually thought that?
I am of the thought it’s a miss all the way from drawing details not specified to uncontrolled manufacturing and manufacturing changes
I am of the thought it’s a miss all the way from drawing details not specified to uncontrolled manufacturing and manufacturing changes
So what is the consensus?
Are we using this endurance instead of the old Fram Ultras?
I still have 4 old model xg7317 I need to use up but then will be buying new filters.
Are we using this endurance instead of the old Fram Ultras?
I still have 4 old model xg7317 I need to use up but then will be buying new filters.
Can’t answer your first two
Use the filters for a normal OEM interval. Engine won’t know the difference.
Oh well open one up now for science if you want
The old ultras/titaniums are superior in every way. The new ultras/titaniums are not showing this defect. IMO there is not a reason to pay $12.99 for a “high efficiency” Endurance if it’s in a continual state of partial bypass, kinda defeats the purpose. Please keep in mind we’ve only seen 7317’s so far, not sure how widespread this is.
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100%, I’m really trying, even if some product issues, the general idea of keeping production at home over rules.
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I was the one that sent him a box of filters late last month, which include these. FE3600 vs S3600XL are the first of the wave of a multi series videos coming in the future. So yeah you'll be seeing Donaldson vs Fleetguard one later among many more comparisons...
Thank you! I’ll be watching
“The new ultras/titaniums are not showing this defect.”
Are you referring to just the ridges or actual gaps?
I wasn’t aware flashlight test were performed on those and passed. Do you have a link?
As far as I’m aware no Fram Filters (with metal end caps) produced since 2023 have passed this test.
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That Endurance isn't very new ... date code is the 20th day of 2023.
Lot of assumptions there!
We don’t have a clue as to how much is bypassed in relation to filtered oil, but it’s definitely small, even with “calculations” attempted here.
In addition, we DO KNOW that the bypass gets filtered in subsequent cycling.
Considering the entire engine volume of oil gets cycled 4 (or more) times per minute, a highly efficient filter with this “defect” could easily outperform inferior filters with no bypass leaks. Yes, we both continue to speculate, but I will be steadfast in using the Endurance.
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Then that should tell you these line of filters arent selling well.
Why would that be? Because of the “defect”?
Joe Public isn’t remotely aware of it..,,they’re not all watching Whip City or us here at BOBS
Btw, the Endurance hasn’t been “on the shelves” that long.
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Why would that be? Because of the “defect”?
Joe Public isn’t remotely aware of it..,,they’re not all watching Whip City or us here at BOBS
Btw, the Endurance hasn’t been “on the shelves” that long.
My reply specificly is that this sample sent was recently purchased from a local walmart. Nothing related to this thread, just the video. If something sitting on the store shelf for a whole year should be enough telling you this product isnt moving faster than others.
The horse is long dead and beaten to a pulp. I am no way involved or up to date with the ongoing discussion. If you want data to back up performance claims then do an after service particle count as i stated long ago buried in this discussion.
Here comes that Dead Horse to beat …AGAIN!
We KNOW the the Endurance that failed the Whip City flashlight test was manufactured in early (Jan/Feb) 2023 and the BR test (shown below) was performed in late 2023.
Also, to date, there are NO Endurance filters that have passed the flashlight leak test. If there are, please post it here.
Do ya think the Endurance tested below was or wasn’t flawed? What’s >>More LIKELY? That’s a legitimate question.
We KNOW the the Endurance that failed the Whip City flashlight test was manufactured in early (Jan/Feb) 2023 and the BR test (shown below) was performed in late 2023.
Also, to date, there are NO Endurance filters that have passed the flashlight leak test. If there are, please post it here
.Do ya think the Endurance tested below was or wasn’t flawed? What’s >>More LIKELY? That’s a legitimate question.
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I watched that video today, but he didn’t do a light test on the bypass. He should, it’s going to bring more hits to the site, plus people want to know. Probably 10 people world wide.
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