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I find it hard to believe they can't make money just churning out the CVPI as is. No real development costs, advertising, certifications to get... or throw the ecoboost V6 in there and call it done for a decade or two.
I've heard that some police forces up here are stocking up on the CVPI, buying a couple dozen to keep them from dealing with the new cars initial problems.
 
How is the 4.6L V8 not thirsty? My dad and I have rented once and it only average 18mpg in city driving, IMO a new design 3.5 V6 should easily get you 24-25mpg in city driving, maybe more if the officers don't have lead feet.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
How is the 4.6L V8 not thirsty? My dad and I have rented once and it only average 18mpg in city driving, IMO a new design 3.5 V6 should easily get you 24-25mpg in city driving, maybe more if the officers don't have lead feet.


If nothing else the V6 will consumer considerably less fuel idling than the V8 will.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan

I've heard that some police forces up here are stocking up on the CVPI, buying a couple dozen to keep them from dealing with the new cars initial problems.


Miami Dade has around 1800 CVPI's so I doubt they want to buy all new equipment unless they have to.

As far as initial problems with the new PI I doubt there will be any...Generally Ford does just fine with their new first year models.
 
Doesn't Ford recommend that the EcoBoost be filled with premium gas? Might they **require** it for rigors of police service?

I would doubt that many municipalities who own their own refilling stations have a tank and a pump for premium gas. Plus, there's a significant price differential for premium gas (30-45 cents per gallon MORE...)

So.... that's going to create an issue as well.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Doesn't Ford recommend that the EcoBoost be filled with premium gas? Might they **require** it for rigors of police service?

I would doubt that many municipalities who own their own refilling stations have a tank and a pump for premium gas. Plus, there's a significant price differential for premium gas (30-45 cents per gallon MORE...)

So.... that's going to create an issue as well.




The ecoboost is made, designed, and recommended to run on Regular Unleaded.
 
Originally Posted By: rudolphna

The ecoboost is made, designed, and recommended to run on Regular Unleaded.


Maybe so. However, what I just saw on Ford's very own 2010 Taurus webpage, states "91 Octane (recommended)".

And with the type of usage that the engine would see in police service, might that "recommendation" become into something that is "required"?

I think we'd all agree that police service is WAY more demanding than the vast majority of what consumers put their vehicles through.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/taurus/specifications/engine/
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
The death of the 4.6 Modular, but the 5.0L Modular (the Coyote is a revamped bored and stroked 4.6) lives on in Mustang and F150. This is good.


No, this is GREAT!! (In my best Tony The Tiger voice.
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Originally Posted By: Troy_Built
Crown vic will be missed by the police.


It will be missed by a lot more then the police...Every car in my family fleet is a 4.6...Most of friends have Police Interceptors and Grand Marquis and love them...I promised my friends kids I would take them to a few places to look at CVPI's this weekend from Miami to Palm Beach...Those kids are 17 years old.

It will be a very sad day in 2011 when the death of the 4.6 comes.

There will never be such a low maintenance engine ever again that can put on over 400K trouble free miles.

2011 will probably set record breaking sales for the CVPI as the bulk of police agencies will just load up waiting for the RWD Caprice.

OK...Let me put on my flame suit.
 
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: Troy_Built
Crown vic will be missed by the police.


It will be missed by a lot more then the police...Every car in my family fleet is a 4.6...Most of friends have Police Interceptors and Grand Marquis and love them...I promised my friends kids I would take them to a few places to look at CVPI's this weekend from Miami to Palm Beach...Those kids are 17 years old.

It will be a very sad day in 2011 when the death of the 4.6 comes.

There will never be such a low maintenance engine ever again that can put on over 400K trouble free miles.

2011 will probably set record breaking sales for the CVPI as the bulk of police agencies will just load up waiting for the RWD Caprice.

OK...Let me put on my flame suit.



No need for the flame suit, my friend. You speak the truth.
 
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
There will never be such a low maintenance engine ever again that can put on over 400K trouble free miles.


And that is the beauty of it.

I'm not entirely sure I understand this obsession with the Taurus to be honest. Ford comes out with the Five Hundred (which, by the way, was the worst selling Ford ever in the Middle East), then decides to rename it Taurus. Then they come up with the Freestyle, which was also called the Taurus X, and now this Taurus.

Maybe it's just me, but I seem to feel the Taurus nameplate gained so much more popularity after Mulally took over. Quoting Mulally word for word: "How can it go away? It is the best selling car in America!" He believed discontinuing the Taurus was a "mistake", and that the Five Hundred should have been named "Taurus" right from the start. If the Taurus was "the best selling car in America", why did it become fleet only and discontinued later? Seems its any old excuse to have a Taurus in the Ford lineup.

I read somewhere Mulally wants to revive well known and respected Ford nameplates, then they axe the Crown Victoria, which has been around since 1955! Or the Town Car, which was first used on a Lincoln that was custom made for Henry Ford. The Taurus only goes back to what, 1985? Heck, the Marquis has been around since 1967!

I can't speak for the North American market, but I have only seen two Tauruses here to date. The Taurus is an infamous nameplate in the Middle East, which was a disaster for Ford's image. Yet they bring it back, and ditch the best selling Ford in it's Middle East history.

Drive a Crown Victoria in Saudi Arabia, and you will be approached by many wanting to buy it. Al-Jazeera Ford in Saudi is the world's biggest Crown Victoria dealer, a title its held since 1997. That's how ridiculously popular they are. Over here, at least 7 out of 10 households has either a Crown Victoria or a Grand Marquis. Every single ministry - Defence, Interior, Health, Education, Oil, Foreign Affairs, Finance, Justice, Housing...you name it, either buys or leases them. Demand is so great, some people have resorted to buying US gray imports. They needed a bucket full of incentives to move the Five Hundreds off the lot, and it was a miserable failure.

I was hoping the new PI would be V8 RWD, so they could possibly market it here as the new Crown Victoria, which is a marque that's extremely well established. In fact, it's so well established, the Crown Victoria is the first car that springs to mind when Ford is mentioned. Few even refer to my car as a Mercury...heck even on my registration, they've written "Ford Grand Marquis"! Seems Ford dealers in this region will have to depend solely on the Explorer and Expedition to survive.
 
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: Troy_Built
Crown vic will be missed by the police.


It will be missed by a lot more then the police...Every car in my family fleet is a 4.6...Most of friends have Police Interceptors and Grand Marquis and love them...I promised my friends kids I would take them to a few places to look at CVPI's this weekend from Miami to Palm Beach...Those kids are 17 years old.

It will be a very sad day in 2011 when the death of the 4.6 comes.

There will never be such a low maintenance engine ever again that can put on over 400K trouble free miles.

2011 will probably set record breaking sales for the CVPI as the bulk of police agencies will just load up waiting for the RWD Caprice.

OK...Let me put on my flame suit.



What is that saying .... "Never fall in love with a car"
 
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
As long as torque steer is mitigated, why is FWD bad? I don't think I understand.


They are simply not as durable, have trouble supporting the weight of push bars, poor suspensions/handling and are more expensive to maintain in the case of the Impalas that our local Police have. My wife is in charge of the Police cars (buying and maintaining them) and everybody hates the Impalas, the officers first jumped on the Chargers until the realized how bad the visibility was and than they lost favor. The cops simply prefer the heavy duty rear drive CVPI. The Tahoes are well liked as well for the room. So of the 4 police car models used, the CV is preferred.
 
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
As long as torque steer is mitigated, why is FWD bad? I don't think I understand.


RWD is just better when it comes to jumping curbs,going over speed bumps [almost all apt and condo complexes have them down here] and driving like you stole it.

With no snow/ice [in Florida anyway] RWD just makes more sense...Maintenance is overall less also with RWD.

Most cops down here just want RWD and a V8.
 
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