Fords New PI
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I don't see why they got rid of the CVPI. It wasn't broken. If they had used the cab chassis, they could have even gotten more utility out of it.
Crown vic will be missed by the police.
I'm glad they were thoughtful enough to consider the amout of vomit the back seats see.
That's a disappointing replacement for the CVPI. I was hoping Ford would bring over one of the Aussie RWD cars like GM is doing with the Caprice. I don't think Ford will keep the 75% market share after the CVPI leaves. I think a big reason why so many Police Depts buy the CVPI is becasue of it's proven track record, interchangability of parts (especially stuff like cages), and the lack of change to the car which makes for easy initial setup. The new Taurus will have none of these benefits.
It may be more like the 80's when Police cars were more evenly mixed between Ford, GM and Mopar.
From my understanding the biggest reason the CVPI is leaving us is because Ford wants to shut down St. Thomas. The CAW has delayed this shut down, and this is the biggest reason the CVPI has lasted as long as it has. I remember reading old car magazines from the early 1980's that predicted the LTD Crown Vic and the Caprice were planned to be downsized to FWD by the mid 80's. Then gas prices dropped and big car sales took off again...
It may be more like the 80's when Police cars were more evenly mixed between Ford, GM and Mopar.
From my understanding the biggest reason the CVPI is leaving us is because Ford wants to shut down St. Thomas. The CAW has delayed this shut down, and this is the biggest reason the CVPI has lasted as long as it has. I remember reading old car magazines from the early 1980's that predicted the LTD Crown Vic and the Caprice were planned to be downsized to FWD by the mid 80's. Then gas prices dropped and big car sales took off again...
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
I was hoping Ford would bring over one of the Aussie RWD cars like GM is doing with the Caprice.
Has this been confirmed?
It looks like Ford will try and augment the TaurusPI with the to be announced SUV based vehicle.
I agree with many, the CV will be sorely missed once it's gone. But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
I was hoping Ford would bring over one of the Aussie RWD cars like GM is doing with the Caprice.
Has this been confirmed?
It looks like Ford will try and augment the TaurusPI with the to be announced SUV based vehicle.
I agree with many, the CV will be sorely missed once it's gone. But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
This new PI isn't a body on frame is it?
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I don't see why they got rid of the CVPI. It wasn't broken. If they had used the cab chassis, they could have even gotten more utility out of it.
It's a great car for sure, but it's just old. Compared to modern cars it's too big, too slow, and too thirsty.
Plus, I'm willing to bet that you can get a lot more crash safety out of a modern chassis.
If this thing is based on the Taurus, that would mean it could have a FWD and and AWD version. The FWD version could replace the Impala, and the AWD version could replace the CVPI and Charger. Two birds with one stone.
I don't see why they got rid of the CVPI. It wasn't broken. If they had used the cab chassis, they could have even gotten more utility out of it.
It's a great car for sure, but it's just old. Compared to modern cars it's too big, too slow, and too thirsty.
Plus, I'm willing to bet that you can get a lot more crash safety out of a modern chassis.
If this thing is based on the Taurus, that would mean it could have a FWD and and AWD version. The FWD version could replace the Impala, and the AWD version could replace the CVPI and Charger. Two birds with one stone.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
It's a great car for sure, but it's just old. Compared to modern cars it's too big, too slow, and too thirsty.
I don't understand why people call it 'thirsty', when it gets better fuel economy than most cars out there. The Caprice has been sold in Australia and the Middle East for a long time, and it doesn't exactly shine in the fuel economy department as much as it does in performance.
Ford basically handed down the police car market to GM on a golden plate with this thing.
It's a great car for sure, but it's just old. Compared to modern cars it's too big, too slow, and too thirsty.
I don't understand why people call it 'thirsty', when it gets better fuel economy than most cars out there. The Caprice has been sold in Australia and the Middle East for a long time, and it doesn't exactly shine in the fuel economy department as much as it does in performance.
Ford basically handed down the police car market to GM on a golden plate with this thing.
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Has this been confirmed?
No, I just made this assumption based on the article which only states that an SUV based PI will be out later. I would think this would be a 2WD Expedition to compete with the Tahoe (which are becoming very popular with the OPP in this area).
Oh, and I just read the C/D test for the Tarus SHO, they got 16 MPG avg with the Eco Boost engine!
Has this been confirmed?
No, I just made this assumption based on the article which only states that an SUV based PI will be out later. I would think this would be a 2WD Expedition to compete with the Tahoe (which are becoming very popular with the OPP in this area).
Oh, and I just read the C/D test for the Tarus SHO, they got 16 MPG avg with the Eco Boost engine!
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But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
What's Ford affording it got to do with it? They charged for the things, didn't they? Demand was high, wasn't it? That just doesn't make sense.
All it means is that there was too much production capacity for what they were building there. Build a smaller plant ..or revamp some POS vacant ..abandoned industrial property (that they surely own somewhere) ..and move the tooling (100% INTACT) and keep on keeping on.
Very simple. There are obviously other factors involved.
But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
What's Ford affording it got to do with it? They charged for the things, didn't they? Demand was high, wasn't it? That just doesn't make sense.
All it means is that there was too much production capacity for what they were building there. Build a smaller plant ..or revamp some POS vacant ..abandoned industrial property (that they surely own somewhere) ..and move the tooling (100% INTACT) and keep on keeping on.
Very simple. There are obviously other factors involved.
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Has this been confirmed?
No, I just made this assumption based on the article which only states that an SUV based PI will be out later. I would think this would be a 2WD Expedition to compete with the Tahoe (which are becoming very popular with the OPP in this area).
Oh, and I just read the C/D test for the Tarus SHO, they got 16 MPG avg with the Eco Boost engine!
You said that Chevy was bringing over a RWD Holden, I was asking if that had been confirmed?
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Has this been confirmed?
No, I just made this assumption based on the article which only states that an SUV based PI will be out later. I would think this would be a 2WD Expedition to compete with the Tahoe (which are becoming very popular with the OPP in this area).
Oh, and I just read the C/D test for the Tarus SHO, they got 16 MPG avg with the Eco Boost engine!
You said that Chevy was bringing over a RWD Holden, I was asking if that had been confirmed?
Originally Posted By: gomes512
This new PI isn't a body on frame is it?
Nope.
This new PI isn't a body on frame is it?
Nope.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
What's Ford affording it got to do with it? They charged for the things, didn't they? Demand was high, wasn't it? That just doesn't make sense.
All it means is that there was too much production capacity for what they were building there. Build a smaller plant ..or revamp some POS vacant ..abandoned industrial property (that they surely own somewhere) ..and move the tooling (100% INTACT) and keep on keeping on.
Very simple. There are obviously other factors involved.
No, demand isn't high at all. Despite many around here, including myself. There isn't much demand in the market for the CV/GM/TC platform any longer. I dont like it, but it is what it is.
Are you saying that Ford should just keep building the PI alone? Without market support from the CV/GM/TC? This isn't a halo product we're talking about here. Niche manufacturing is a thing of the past for a company the size of Ford.
I would love to hear what other factors you think are involved....not being argumentative at all, I'm genuinely curious what sinister motive one could attach to this.
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But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
What's Ford affording it got to do with it? They charged for the things, didn't they? Demand was high, wasn't it? That just doesn't make sense.
All it means is that there was too much production capacity for what they were building there. Build a smaller plant ..or revamp some POS vacant ..abandoned industrial property (that they surely own somewhere) ..and move the tooling (100% INTACT) and keep on keeping on.
Very simple. There are obviously other factors involved.
No, demand isn't high at all. Despite many around here, including myself. There isn't much demand in the market for the CV/GM/TC platform any longer. I dont like it, but it is what it is.
Are you saying that Ford should just keep building the PI alone? Without market support from the CV/GM/TC? This isn't a halo product we're talking about here. Niche manufacturing is a thing of the past for a company the size of Ford.
I would love to hear what other factors you think are involved....not being argumentative at all, I'm genuinely curious what sinister motive one could attach to this.
Nice.
Though, like the end of the crown vic... This also essentially signals the death of the 4.6L modular. The current mustang, explorer, and crown vic are the only venicles still using it. The mustang gets the 5.0L, the PI gets the new engines, and I'm fairly sure the new explorer gets the same 3.5L/3.7L and ecoboost engines. Bit sad.
Though, like the end of the crown vic... This also essentially signals the death of the 4.6L modular. The current mustang, explorer, and crown vic are the only venicles still using it. The mustang gets the 5.0L, the PI gets the new engines, and I'm fairly sure the new explorer gets the same 3.5L/3.7L and ecoboost engines. Bit sad.
I'll be surprised if a FWD is more durable than the Panther.
I think Chevy is going to get some more orders for police package Tahoes.
I think Chevy is going to get some more orders for police package Tahoes.
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Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
From what I've seen over the years on this topic, that's sure what it points to. If Ford was making a killing on the panther platform, they'd continue to churn them out.
Joel
But the numbers speak for themselves, Ford cant afford to keep that platform alive based on current sales numbers. Now if they could come up with a couple other vehicles to build off the platform maybe, but that isnt going to happen.
From what I've seen over the years on this topic, that's sure what it points to. If Ford was making a killing on the panther platform, they'd continue to churn them out.
Joel
I went to the unveiling of the new Ford Taurus and that car is sweet. Although I know the Crown vic is popular on here. Its a boat and there is no way it can compete with the Dodge Charger for the Police market. It simply got the industry market because of Default. the Caprice was a far superior car and from what cops I talked to, they loved that car with the Corvette engine and hated to be stuck with the Crown vic. I drove the new Lincoln on the same new Taurus platform and that car handles great, rides nice and has plenty of performance and its huge inside. I wouldnt even have to think about which car I would want.It will compete with the Charger and bury the Impala. Iam glad that Ford is staying competive, because it is time to move on. I wouldnt write the 4.6 off yet, its the engine that they have slated for all the 2010 Ford f150s so its going to be around for awhile. I dont believe any other motors are even avaiable in that truck.
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