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can you even purchase a modern vehicle that doesn't have power steering?
last car I had without PS was a 99 hyundai accent.. and you are correct, you didn't need power steering in that.

I doubt it...
It may involve a little more effort to steer without it, but I can't imagine it taking an extra 5 minutes. In tough situations you can rock the car back and forth and make it easier to steer.
 
If you can't steer a lightweight 4 cylinder car without power steering, you have bigger issues to worry about. Maybe go to the gym?
With inoperative electric power steering you’re also fighting the rack to steer it. They’re harder to steer than inoperative hydraulic power steering.
 
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Different strokes for different folks. My 2010 Fusion runs everyday and every option still works.

My 22 Pacifica the dash lights up with all kinds of warning indicators randomly and who knows what the infotainment system may do and when. It probably just a module or communication network issue but when I had it scheduled with the local CDJR dealer they “didn’t get time to work it in that day”. Funny since it was scheduled a week prior and dropped off the night before it shouldn’t have need to be “worked in”.

So no more CDJR products for me. Our local dealer has a great sales team but the products are average at best and their service department is poor.
You're right, different strokes for different folks. I'll be adding a third Jeep to the fleet hopefully a 2025 if things go as planned. If it's as good at the two I currently own I'll be a very happy camper, if not I'll move on. Our feelings are identical, only we differ on the brand.
 
With inoperative electric power steering you’re also fighting the rack to steer it. They’re harder to steer than inoperative hydraulic power steering.
Exactly. When the electric PS died in my Cobalt I had to really muscle the wheel to barely move it at all, and I am a grown man. Even once the car was moving it was a real workout. I can only imagine how much a smaller person (my mother perhaps) would have to struggle to steer it at all.

On the flipside are the various "traditional" non-PS cars I've driven, which were no big deal. All that's left now is my Fiero which is only barely harder to steer than the average PS car.
 
The drunks are certainly active today.
If you can't steer a lightweight 4 cylinder car without power steering, you have bigger issues to worry about. Maybe go to the gym?
What is that? A Fusion? Focus? Transit Connect? If it runs it's worth a grand...
I don't know what you're talking about 🤔
Or you don't know what you're talking about 🤨

That's a Ford/Mazda Duratec I4, one of the best engines they ever made
If you want to trade for a Mazda, maybe you don't understand what you bought (if it's a Fusion)

Y'all need to go back to the OP's previous thread to get a baseline on this vehicle and the "situation". Maybe it is a troll post after all?

Ford What???
 
Y'all need to go back to the OP's previous thread to get a baseline on this vehicle and the "situation". Maybe it is a troll post after all?

Ford What???

I guess I don't see any information in that original post that tells me they shouldn't be able to steer a light 4 cylinder car with inop power steering. I would still suggest a trip to the gym or few. Guessing if it is a female working on a car, she is stronger than most.
 
Y'all need to go back to the OP's previous thread to get a baseline on this vehicle and the "situation". Maybe it is a troll post after all?

Ford What???
To be frank, I shouldn't have to. Since this isnt in the maintenance area asking a technical question dont expect alot of help. 🤷‍♂️
 
+2

Probably the same system as in my Cobalt. I kept thinking maybe there was a way to stick a long breaker bar in the rungs of the steering wheel so I could use it as a lever!
There was a recall, but after it was done, no change. Think it was just a blown fuse. Getting a workout for months, all because of a fuse.
 
I know one thing from spending my life working as a mechanic,
which is most people who get paid to work on vehicles gripe about the way Ford does things..
Ford tends to have the ability to package 11 pounds of scat into a 10 pound sack...

perfect example was me looking at my friends Super Duty.. air compressor for air bags doesn't work...
lets check the fuses... where are the fuses.? , main box is right under the area near the engine bulkhead and master cylinder..
other fuse panel ( yep they have 2) is behind the right kick panel under the dash...
can you easily see either of them? NO.
are the fuses labelled? yes, with a number.
lets look in the OM... fuse block diagram shows fuse location by number
but other fuse diagram on different pages explains what each fuse is for without a picture of where it is.
just the number.
you end up back under the hood on a ladder with your head wedged right above the firewall
or lay on the right front passenger seat somehow wedged into the footing area so you can see the fuses
both techniques also involve needing a flashlight, generallyheld in your mouth...
and the story goes on and on with Ford..

thats why you hear people say " what did you expect, its a Ford".
You are not lying! Why they don't have a label on each fuse box lid with exactly what and where each fuse/rely is? Most people don't even have an owner's manual so they are stuck if broken down due to a relay/fuse. Honorable mention goes to the fuse box lids of some GMs that are printed with the fuse locations and function BUT the ink is 1 shade less than black and you can't see it!
 
You are not lying! Why they don't have a label on each fuse box lid with exactly what and where each fuse/rely is? Most people don't even have an owner's manual so they are stuck if broken down due to a relay/fuse. Honorable mention goes to the fuse box lids of some GMs that are printed with the fuse locations and function BUT the ink is 1 shade less than black and you can't see it!
what did you expect, its a Ford. I think I have heard that before. :)

you can think back oover the years and wonder how they do things.. I can remember back when electronic ignition was a new thing and GM used one basic design with the coil in the cap, everything self contained and Ford must have went thru 4 or 5 ignition systems...

why did Ford make 2 different 4.8 Modular V8's in the late 90's trucks.. not interchangeable. ?


I remember back in the day when they changed the firing order on the 289-302's... which required a different cam.. and you had to know what was what... because they kept that one a secret..

or how many different 351's did they produce.. I count three..

why why why?
 
You are not lying! Why they don't have a label on each fuse box lid with exactly what and where each fuse/rely is? Most people don't even have an owner's manual so they are stuck if broken down due to a relay/fuse. Honorable mention goes to the fuse box lids of some GMs that are printed with the fuse locations and function BUT the ink is 1 shade less than black and you can't see it!
What's fun is the parts catalogs don't tell us the fuse or relay function or location. Just lists part numbers that should have come with the vehicle. And of course Ford doesn't use the normal ATC type description, just "20 amp blade" type descriptions.
 
Exactly. When the electric PS died in my Cobalt I had to really muscle the wheel to barely move it at all, and I am a grown man. Even once the car was moving it was a real workout. I can only imagine how much a smaller person (my mother perhaps) would have to struggle to steer it at all.

On the flipside are the various "traditional" non-PS cars I've driven, which were no big deal. All that's left now is my Fiero which is only barely harder to steer than the average PS car.
When power steering fails on the pump type it’s near its very difficult to steer too. The non-power models are a lot easier to steer because you don’t have the drag of the power mechanism to turn too.

Weird the only non-ps car I have driven was a 1991 Acura NSX. Epic car!
 
I have owned many Fords and currently have/ maintain 4. Generally have been very good and reliable, but most models have some weird design/engineering quirks. Internal water pumps, wiring harnesses that are too small, some strange trannies (Focus), insane battery locations…
 
I come from a "Ford family," and I would have possibly bought an S550 Mach 1 were it not for the fact that almost all of the local Ford dealers have gone the extra mile to p**s me off.
 
I have never seen an engine like this before , they definitely built ford different and not so much tough .

I have never seen a engine where all the wires are right on top of it , and of course the power steering is electric which doesn't work but he'll my arms are getting pretty strong having to turn the corners . 😆

It's especially fun when I'm blocked in between two other cars I have to inch my way out where a normal vehicle with power steering wouldn't have trouble getting out with one back up and forward motion.

It'll take me 5 minutes to get out of spot with a car in front and in back of me .
Yes the car was recalled because of the electric power steering fails.
.but I bought this car for $550 it runs and moves forward and backwards it's all that matters (aside the brakes working)

So anyone want to trade me for a Mazda?
😆 (It's got to have the same 3 function as this ford though)

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Maybe FORD had a better idea....:p
 
I'll bite and bash ford. I'll be very objective........ did not mind the older superduty's and partially the F150s until they switched to the aluminum skin. Love the oil drinking, timing chain slapping 5.0. Love bypassing the vacuum system to stop the hubs from grinding, live the way they skip their ass end over the washboards and really love the unintelligent way they lay out the switchgear. What's really cool is that massive tablet that requires your full attention to adjust the fan speed or temperature. Unless you pull over you ate bound to take your eyes off the road but do not gear, the car dings at you to again divide your attention and remind you to keep your eyes on the road.

But that's OK as most of the sensors don't work when the trucks lose the unprotected wiring harness, losing license plate lights, backup camera and e brake. Don't worry, that takes out cruise control and randomly triggers the stability control that then commandeers your control. No worries, the truck you were just in lost another 5.0.....

I have several hundred thousand km, over 18 years in ford's. My wife's company cars are all ford, ranging from a gas Superduty, Mach e, Mustang GT and Flex. It really makes me appreciate our GM's and Ram 3500.

I can't recall, rather don't care what this thread is for, I hate Ford. I hope they burn from the top down.
 
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