FORD WSSM2C171 APPROVED OILS
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Thanks for the video, Powerstroke.
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I've read a little about CK-4 having less phosphorus to meet the SN spec, but how is it that all the major oil companies' oils will meet the wear requirements for the engines used in Class 8 trucks? And why did Ford wait until the eleventh hour before they advised owners of their diesel powered pickups against using many of the brands of CK-4 oils? From everything I've read, the major oil companies have been field testing their CK-4 versions with the cooperation of Volvo, Mack, Cummins, Detroit, and Caterpillar.
I've read a little about CK-4 having less phosphorus to meet the SN spec, but how is it that all the major oil companies' oils will meet the wear requirements for the engines used in Class 8 trucks? And why did Ford wait until the eleventh hour before they advised owners of their diesel powered pickups against using many of the brands of CK-4 oils? From everything I've read, the major oil companies have been field testing their CK-4 versions with the cooperation of Volvo, Mack, Cummins, Detroit, and Caterpillar.
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Went to Delvac Super specs and they are now CK-4 flavor ... HTHS is 4.1 ... think it was 4.3 before ...
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Originally Posted By: dustyroads
That list appeared rather quickly...did they all actually pass some new engine test? Or did they just throw a list together based on the amount of phosphorus? I thought Ford was developing a new fired engine test.
Dusty - my thoughts as well and in addition, it is very strange to me that none of the mainstream (Chevron, Mobil, Shell) oils meet the specification but this many "off the beaten path" oils do?
The way this went down was a little "rushed" during the last 3 weeks. These approvals are based off the fact that the CK-4 oils are similar to their CJ-4 counterparts or where fluids were tested in Ford Engines prior to Dec 1. Expect this list to be updated from time to time as more companies prove they can meet the requirements, and once the valve train wear test is completed you will likely see all kinds of fluids, even those with low phosphorus levels - make the list.
Shell is there, Mobil is there, Delo is not... yet...
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Ford has also issued its own service-fill diesel engine oil specification, WSS-M2C171-F1, which the company recommends for all Ford North American diesel vehicles, F-Series Super Duty and Transit, and has already approved more than 200 products so far. One key component of the specification, the Ford 6.7L valve train wear test, won’t be available until February 2017, however.
“These 200 products are essentially CJ-4 products that passed CK-4 or have been boosted to pass CK-4 and have 1,000 parts per million phosphorus,” Romano explained.
Lubricant manufacturers who wish to get Ford approval will need to submit data to show that it is an existing CJ-4 chemistry and has 1,000 ppm phosphorus, Romano said. There is no license fee and the approval process is relatively quick, “within a couple of days,” he said.
Originally Posted By: dustyroads
That list appeared rather quickly...did they all actually pass some new engine test? Or did they just throw a list together based on the amount of phosphorus? I thought Ford was developing a new fired engine test.
Dusty - my thoughts as well and in addition, it is very strange to me that none of the mainstream (Chevron, Mobil, Shell) oils meet the specification but this many "off the beaten path" oils do?
The way this went down was a little "rushed" during the last 3 weeks. These approvals are based off the fact that the CK-4 oils are similar to their CJ-4 counterparts or where fluids were tested in Ford Engines prior to Dec 1. Expect this list to be updated from time to time as more companies prove they can meet the requirements, and once the valve train wear test is completed you will likely see all kinds of fluids, even those with low phosphorus levels - make the list.
Shell is there, Mobil is there, Delo is not... yet...
More information here: link
Quote:
Ford has also issued its own service-fill diesel engine oil specification, WSS-M2C171-F1, which the company recommends for all Ford North American diesel vehicles, F-Series Super Duty and Transit, and has already approved more than 200 products so far. One key component of the specification, the Ford 6.7L valve train wear test, won’t be available until February 2017, however.
“These 200 products are essentially CJ-4 products that passed CK-4 or have been boosted to pass CK-4 and have 1,000 parts per million phosphorus,” Romano explained.
Lubricant manufacturers who wish to get Ford approval will need to submit data to show that it is an existing CJ-4 chemistry and has 1,000 ppm phosphorus, Romano said. There is no license fee and the approval process is relatively quick, “within a couple of days,” he said.
It's good to see that the Ford spec rules out all these ACEA E6 Euro-trash HDEOs having less than 800 ppm P. A lot of players in the industry are so obsessed with their improved protection against corrosive and abrasive wear needed for scr*wed up emission regulated engines, while ignoring or neglecting an essential ability a lubricant MUST have i.e. the ability to protect against adhesive wear.
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We'll see. Delvac 1 LE 5w-30 E6, E7, E9 had their last approval.
Originally Posted By: Extreme-Duty
It's good to see that the Ford spec rules out all these ACEA E6 Euro-trash HDEOs having less than 800 ppm P. A lot of players in the industry are so obsessed with their improved protection against corrosive and abrasive wear needed for scr*wed up emission regulated engines, while ignoring or neglecting an essential ability a lubricant MUST have i.e. the ability to protect against adhesive wear.
My hat's also off to Ford for not rolling over on this. Looking forward to what their more detailed testing ends up showing.
It's good to see that the Ford spec rules out all these ACEA E6 Euro-trash HDEOs having less than 800 ppm P. A lot of players in the industry are so obsessed with their improved protection against corrosive and abrasive wear needed for scr*wed up emission regulated engines, while ignoring or neglecting an essential ability a lubricant MUST have i.e. the ability to protect against adhesive wear.
My hat's also off to Ford for not rolling over on this. Looking forward to what their more detailed testing ends up showing.
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