Ford vs. GM Reliability
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
The Ford V10 block is just an extended 5.4L block; it is the 5.4L with two extra cylinders slapped on the end. It looks NOTHING like the Dodge 8.0L V10 because it has nothing in COMMON with the Dodge V10 other than the number of cylinders. The design of which by the way, was borrowed from Lamborghini back when Chrysler owned part of them.
Not exactly. I doubt Lambo would have stuck with pushrods or targeted 8 liters! The very first Dodge V10 runnable prototype was made by literally grafting parts of two 360 (5.9) LA blocks together. The final architecture used the same LA block bore spacing with 2 extra cylinders, different bore and stroke. What Lamborghini did was tweak the Chrysler design for being cast in aluminum instead of iron for the Viper, they never touched the iron truck V10. Nothing was "borrowed" from Lambo except aluminum casting expertise.
The Ford V10 block is just an extended 5.4L block; it is the 5.4L with two extra cylinders slapped on the end. It looks NOTHING like the Dodge 8.0L V10 because it has nothing in COMMON with the Dodge V10 other than the number of cylinders. The design of which by the way, was borrowed from Lamborghini back when Chrysler owned part of them.
Not exactly. I doubt Lambo would have stuck with pushrods or targeted 8 liters! The very first Dodge V10 runnable prototype was made by literally grafting parts of two 360 (5.9) LA blocks together. The final architecture used the same LA block bore spacing with 2 extra cylinders, different bore and stroke. What Lamborghini did was tweak the Chrysler design for being cast in aluminum instead of iron for the Viper, they never touched the iron truck V10. Nothing was "borrowed" from Lambo except aluminum casting expertise.
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Originally Posted By: steve20
Having had many Fords in our family growing up (that should tell you something right away) I will never go near one that isn't a truck--no way, no how. I won't even use Hertz when on business.
Ford trucks on the other hand, are a different story. If I needed a truck, it would be a Ford.
Steve
I only rent from Hertz cause I really don't really want to rent a Front Wheel Drive V6 car...I only want Rear Drive and a V8 Engine..I perfer to have a Town Car,Grand Marquis,or Crown Vic..I would though rent a Expedition/Explorer..I do miss the Ford Excursion allot...I drove my friends 03 Expedition [5.4 triton]from Miami to Atlanta and it was a fantanstic trunk to drive...It has over 180K miles on it...It was without a doubt very comfortable and a pleasure to drive.
The only really good realiable car General Motors makes is the
Chevy Impala...Chevy Trucks aren't that bad but if I were to buy a truck it would only be a Ford..
Having had many Fords in our family growing up (that should tell you something right away) I will never go near one that isn't a truck--no way, no how. I won't even use Hertz when on business.
Ford trucks on the other hand, are a different story. If I needed a truck, it would be a Ford.
Steve
I only rent from Hertz cause I really don't really want to rent a Front Wheel Drive V6 car...I only want Rear Drive and a V8 Engine..I perfer to have a Town Car,Grand Marquis,or Crown Vic..I would though rent a Expedition/Explorer..I do miss the Ford Excursion allot...I drove my friends 03 Expedition [5.4 triton]from Miami to Atlanta and it was a fantanstic trunk to drive...It has over 180K miles on it...It was without a doubt very comfortable and a pleasure to drive.
The only really good realiable car General Motors makes is the
Chevy Impala...Chevy Trucks aren't that bad but if I were to buy a truck it would only be a Ford..
Ford trucks do not sell.My father is an used car dealer nad he once had a 1993 Ford truck that sat on his lot for a long time being called his fence post.Used Chevy trucks sell much easier and Fords have no resale at all.Plus classic Chevys get better prices than Fords in the classic car auctions.For example,a 1957 Chevy and A 1957 Ford: Which would bring more money?The 1957 Chevy and classic Fords do not bring lots of money.Kruse in Auburn,IN had a lot of the Hertz Ford Mustang Rental cars on the auction block in the spring and laborday weekend auctions last year and they went nuts paying up to $27,000.00 to $32,000.00.
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Ford trucks do not sell.My father is an used car dealer nad he once had a 1993 Ford truck that sat on his lot for a long time being called his fence post.Used Chevy trucks sell much easier and Fords have no resale at all.Plus classic Chevys get better prices than Fords in the classic car auctions.For example,a 1957 Chevy and A 1957 Ford: Which would bring more money?The 1957 Chevy and classic Fords do not bring lots of money.Kruse in Auburn,IN had a lot of the Hertz Ford Mustang Rental cars on the auction block in the spring and laborday weekend auctions last year and they went nuts paying up to $27,000.00 to $32,000.00.
and for that reason alone Ford's suck.....
if Ford trucks do not sell, how have they been the #1 selling truck for years??
Ford trucks do not sell.My father is an used car dealer nad he once had a 1993 Ford truck that sat on his lot for a long time being called his fence post.Used Chevy trucks sell much easier and Fords have no resale at all.Plus classic Chevys get better prices than Fords in the classic car auctions.For example,a 1957 Chevy and A 1957 Ford: Which would bring more money?The 1957 Chevy and classic Fords do not bring lots of money.Kruse in Auburn,IN had a lot of the Hertz Ford Mustang Rental cars on the auction block in the spring and laborday weekend auctions last year and they went nuts paying up to $27,000.00 to $32,000.00.
and for that reason alone Ford's suck.....
if Ford trucks do not sell, how have they been the #1 selling truck for years??
My extended family has great luck with Chrysler (minivan 96), Olds Alero, Ford Windstar, Ford Truck, VW jetta,5 Subaru's and a Toyota RAV4 all over 150k.
I don't think one is any better or worse in terms of reliability. All get regular oil changes that is about it. Otherwise acute repairs no other PM besides my own Subaru's but under 150k mark.
I don't think one is any better or worse in terms of reliability. All get regular oil changes that is about it. Otherwise acute repairs no other PM besides my own Subaru's but under 150k mark.
After the problems I've had with both my present GMs, I'm going back to Ford someday. Can't afford to trade at the present or for the forseeable future. Where's the fortune teller machine from BIG when you need it?
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Ford trucks do not sell.My father is an used car dealer nad he once had a 1993 Ford truck that sat on his lot for a long time being called his fence post.Used Chevy trucks sell much easier and Fords have no resale at all.Plus classic Chevys get better prices than Fords in the classic car auctions.For example,a 1957 Chevy and A 1957 Ford: Which would bring more money?The 1957 Chevy and classic Fords do not bring lots of money.Kruse in Auburn,IN had a lot of the Hertz Ford Mustang Rental cars on the auction block in the spring and laborday weekend auctions last year and they went nuts paying up to $27,000.00 to $32,000.00.
If your father couldn't sell the truck the most likely problem was the price. Everything will sell. But everything will not sell for the price the seller wants to get.
Perhaps your dad over paid.
There is no reason he couldn't take the truck to a dealer auction and sell it, other than he wanted to get more for the truck.
Everything will sell if you price it right.
I doubt it was a Ford/Chevy issue, but a dollars and sense issue. Yes I said sense.
Ford trucks do not sell.My father is an used car dealer nad he once had a 1993 Ford truck that sat on his lot for a long time being called his fence post.Used Chevy trucks sell much easier and Fords have no resale at all.Plus classic Chevys get better prices than Fords in the classic car auctions.For example,a 1957 Chevy and A 1957 Ford: Which would bring more money?The 1957 Chevy and classic Fords do not bring lots of money.Kruse in Auburn,IN had a lot of the Hertz Ford Mustang Rental cars on the auction block in the spring and laborday weekend auctions last year and they went nuts paying up to $27,000.00 to $32,000.00.
If your father couldn't sell the truck the most likely problem was the price. Everything will sell. But everything will not sell for the price the seller wants to get.
Perhaps your dad over paid.
There is no reason he couldn't take the truck to a dealer auction and sell it, other than he wanted to get more for the truck.
Everything will sell if you price it right.
I doubt it was a Ford/Chevy issue, but a dollars and sense issue. Yes I said sense.
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Ford trucks do not sell.My father is an used car dealer nad he once had a 1993 Ford truck that sat on his lot for a long time being called his fence post.
Used Ford trucks sell like crazy in South Florida..Maybe your fathers trucks were trucks that were wrecked at one time or another..In that case they won't sell.
Who in their right mind would trust a used car dealer!
Ford trucks do not sell.My father is an used car dealer nad he once had a 1993 Ford truck that sat on his lot for a long time being called his fence post.
Used Ford trucks sell like crazy in South Florida..Maybe your fathers trucks were trucks that were wrecked at one time or another..In that case they won't sell.
Who in their right mind would trust a used car dealer!
Wallace. No wait he didn't get elected.
What is funny is my work has had about 300 Crown Vic's in the last several years and we have never lost a spark plug.
I have this friend and he is a tried and true Chevy guy. He claims the superiorty of Chevy all the time. He always spouts about how easy they are to work on. He should know because he is fixing something on them ALL the time.
In modern vehicles I'll take the Ford over a GM or Chrysler every time.
What is funny is my work has had about 300 Crown Vic's in the last several years and we have never lost a spark plug.
I have this friend and he is a tried and true Chevy guy. He claims the superiorty of Chevy all the time. He always spouts about how easy they are to work on. He should know because he is fixing something on them ALL the time.
In modern vehicles I'll take the Ford over a GM or Chrysler every time.
Originally Posted By: milwaukee
Wallace. No wait he didn't get elected.
What is funny is my work has had about 300 Crown Vic's in the last several years and we have never lost a spark plug.
I have this friend and he is a tried and true Chevy guy. He claims the superiorty of Chevy all the time. He always spouts about how easy they are to work on. He should know because he is fixing something on them ALL the time.
In modern vehicles I'll take the Ford over a GM or Chrysler every time.
My Sheriffs department has over 1700 Crown Vics and more just ordered...Spoke to a Deputy the other night at a Diner and he said none of the Crown Vics ever lost a spark plug...These cars are driven very hard in jungle heat everyday and idle for hours with the a/c on everyday all year long...They have been using mostly all Crown Vics since 97.
Wallace. No wait he didn't get elected.
What is funny is my work has had about 300 Crown Vic's in the last several years and we have never lost a spark plug.
I have this friend and he is a tried and true Chevy guy. He claims the superiorty of Chevy all the time. He always spouts about how easy they are to work on. He should know because he is fixing something on them ALL the time.
In modern vehicles I'll take the Ford over a GM or Chrysler every time.
My Sheriffs department has over 1700 Crown Vics and more just ordered...Spoke to a Deputy the other night at a Diner and he said none of the Crown Vics ever lost a spark plug...These cars are driven very hard in jungle heat everyday and idle for hours with the a/c on everyday all year long...They have been using mostly all Crown Vics since 97.
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Ford trucks do not sell.
The more you post, the harder it is to take you seriously.
Ford sells 500,000-1,000,000 F-Series trucks a year depending on gas prices, the economy, etc. Many people turn in leases or trade after 3-5 years. All those trucks go somewhere and it isn't the junkyard.
Around here if you find a Ford truck with desireable options, you better get on it quick. It was a wild goose chase when I bought my first Ranger. I found about 10 trucks I liked on Auto Trader, and every one was sold. I finally came across a 2001 Ranger that had just been traded in for an F-250. They had not even washed it yet and some of the previous owner's stuff was still in the glove box. Other people were looking at the truck too, so I jumped on it.
Ford trucks do not sell.
The more you post, the harder it is to take you seriously.
Ford sells 500,000-1,000,000 F-Series trucks a year depending on gas prices, the economy, etc. Many people turn in leases or trade after 3-5 years. All those trucks go somewhere and it isn't the junkyard.
Around here if you find a Ford truck with desireable options, you better get on it quick. It was a wild goose chase when I bought my first Ranger. I found about 10 trucks I liked on Auto Trader, and every one was sold. I finally came across a 2001 Ranger that had just been traded in for an F-250. They had not even washed it yet and some of the previous owner's stuff was still in the glove box. Other people were looking at the truck too, so I jumped on it.
Rangers have always been a tough find ,usally they are all used up before they are put on the market.Around here they are in town delivery vehical and are driven by the young and careless.
You were correct ,find a good one grab it.
You were correct ,find a good one grab it.
My father does not buy them wrecked,He can put a Chevy out and it sells very quickly.A ford is another story,it sits and goes back to the auction.
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
My father does not buy them wrecked,He can put a Chevy out and it sells very quickly.A ford is another story,it sits and goes back to the auction.
The more you post it makes you 100% impossible to take you seriously.
My father does not buy them wrecked,He can put a Chevy out and it sells very quickly.A ford is another story,it sits and goes back to the auction.
The more you post it makes you 100% impossible to take you seriously.
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
The Ford V10 block is just an extended 5.4L block; it is the 5.4L with two extra cylinders slapped on the end. It looks NOTHING like the Dodge 8.0L V10 because it has nothing in COMMON with the Dodge V10 other than the number of cylinders. The design of which by the way, was borrowed from Lamborghini back when Chrysler owned part of them.
Not exactly. I doubt Lambo would have stuck with pushrods or targeted 8 liters! The very first Dodge V10 runnable prototype was made by literally grafting parts of two 360 (5.9) LA blocks together. The final architecture used the same LA block bore spacing with 2 extra cylinders, different bore and stroke. What Lamborghini did was tweak the Chrysler design for being cast in aluminum instead of iron for the Viper, they never touched the iron truck V10. Nothing was "borrowed" from Lambo except aluminum casting expertise.
I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly?) that the intake setup was lambo-inspired??
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
The Ford V10 block is just an extended 5.4L block; it is the 5.4L with two extra cylinders slapped on the end. It looks NOTHING like the Dodge 8.0L V10 because it has nothing in COMMON with the Dodge V10 other than the number of cylinders. The design of which by the way, was borrowed from Lamborghini back when Chrysler owned part of them.
Not exactly. I doubt Lambo would have stuck with pushrods or targeted 8 liters! The very first Dodge V10 runnable prototype was made by literally grafting parts of two 360 (5.9) LA blocks together. The final architecture used the same LA block bore spacing with 2 extra cylinders, different bore and stroke. What Lamborghini did was tweak the Chrysler design for being cast in aluminum instead of iron for the Viper, they never touched the iron truck V10. Nothing was "borrowed" from Lambo except aluminum casting expertise.
I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly?) that the intake setup was lambo-inspired??
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Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
My father does not buy them wrecked,He can put a Chevy out and it sells very quickly.A ford is another story,it sits and goes back to the auction.
The more you post it makes you 100% impossible to take you seriously.
Yes. The more he posts the more I wonder if the reason his dad cannot sell Ford's is that his dad is just like him......
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
My father does not buy them wrecked,He can put a Chevy out and it sells very quickly.A ford is another story,it sits and goes back to the auction.
The more you post it makes you 100% impossible to take you seriously.
Yes. The more he posts the more I wonder if the reason his dad cannot sell Ford's is that his dad is just like him......
Wow why do ppl puke random unfiltered knowledge? Most of the posts here are a little out in left field and rather uneducated.
wafrederick1.... why do I care what your daddy says? honestly?
My personal opinion would depend on the application of the vehicle. As far as F150 or the GM1500 I think they are equally as reliable. I have worked on many, you may have a different opinion than me and you are entitled to it. Now 3/4 ton's Diesel's and up, Ford beats them hands down. They have a better stronger chassis and drivetrain. They do have their issues but don't seem to break as easily. As far as buying one whether it be gas or diesel $$$$ and application is going to determine what I buy.
btw leave your dad out of this, speak knowledge and fact and you'll have a better day.
wafrederick1.... why do I care what your daddy says? honestly?
My personal opinion would depend on the application of the vehicle. As far as F150 or the GM1500 I think they are equally as reliable. I have worked on many, you may have a different opinion than me and you are entitled to it. Now 3/4 ton's Diesel's and up, Ford beats them hands down. They have a better stronger chassis and drivetrain. They do have their issues but don't seem to break as easily. As far as buying one whether it be gas or diesel $$$$ and application is going to determine what I buy.
btw leave your dad out of this, speak knowledge and fact and you'll have a better day.
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