Ford vs. GM Reliability

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Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Ford Triton engines have this problem bigtime: Blowing out spark plugs.This is one reason why to change plugs on these before 100,000 miles.Ford charges $300.00 a hole to fix this...


Ford HAD a problem with plugs blowing out, that problem has been fixed for the last few years' models. Even changing them out early doesn't always prevent the issue, they are known for coming out during operation.
 
Originally Posted By: tom slick
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Ford Triton engines have this problem bigtime: Blowing out spark plugs.This is one reason why to change plugs on these before 100,000 miles.Ford charges $300.00 a hole to fix this...


Ford HAD a problem with plugs blowing out, that problem has been fixed for the last few years' models. Even changing them out early doesn't always prevent the issue, they are known for coming out during operation.


Correct. Main culprit is the 5.4L 2V. The 3V has a different problem, which was the plug breaking the end (long electrode) off in the head. It was the 2V that spit the plugs out.

Snap-On makes repair tools for both issues.
 
just a random tangent, i hate it when people say "ford says it costs this much." you are wrong ford did not say that, a dealer said that which is not Ford Motor Company, the dealers are free to charge whatever they want.
 
Originally Posted By: Tundraz
Fords appears to be b etter because all thier good cars and SUV's are actually Mazdas, the Fusion and Mercury variant is nothing but a Mazda 6 , the CX7 and CX9 are actually Mazdas.

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That must be why Ford annihilates Mazda on the quality numbers, right?

The Fusion is massively different from the 6! Mazda actually adopted most of the Ford upgrades with their current 6.

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The Mazda 6 and the Ford Mustang is made on the same assembly line, why is the Mazda a high quality vehicle and the Fords junk?


Just the opposite actually, and corporate policy and engineering standards mean more that what assembly line it runs down.

Ford hands down builds a better product than Mazda.
 
Even the 4.6s and 6.8s have this problem,blowing out spark plugs.Ford did put a TSB on the 3 valve 4.6s,5.4s and 6.8s on changing the plugs.Ford says to run the vehicle at least 45 minutes,takes the coils off after shutting it off and crack the plugs loose and eigth of a turn.Pour down their engine cleaner down the spark plug holes and let it soak over night.The plugs for the 3 valve engines are made by Champion and have been redisigned at leat 3 times.Ford's V10 block is a Dodge V10 block made by the same manufaturer.
 
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Even the 4.6s and 6.8s have this problem,blowing out spark plugs.


Yes, but not as frequently. The predominant offender is the 5.4L.

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Ford did put a TSB on the 3 valve 4.6s,5.4s and 6.8s on changing the plugs.Ford says to run the vehicle at least 45 minutes,takes the coils off after shutting it off and crack the plugs loose and eigth of a turn.Pour down their engine cleaner down the spark plug holes and let it soak over night.


This is to stop the electrode from breaking-off. They have a re-designed plug for them now.

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The plugs for the 3 valve engines are made by Champion


You have a FACTUAL source for this?

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and have been redisigned at leat 3 times.


I know of twice.

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Ford's V10 block is a Dodge V10 block made by the same manufaturer.


That is 100% incorrect. Where the [censored] do you get some of this [censored]???????

The Ford V10 block is just an extended 5.4L block; it is the 5.4L with two extra cylinders slapped on the end. It looks NOTHING like the Dodge 8.0L V10 because it has nothing in COMMON with the Dodge V10 other than the number of cylinders. The design of which by the way, was borrowed from Lamborghini back when Chrysler owned part of them.

Now, get those gears working and think for second. I know, its hard to not spout mindless rhetoric, but sit back and THINK. If the 6.8L V10 is essentially the SAME ENGINE as the 5.4L V8, but with two extra cylinders, would it not, LOGICALLY, have the SAME ISSUE WITH SPARK PLUGS as the 2V 5.4L V8??????
 
Now, Fred Penner, sorry, I mean wafederick1, lets just do a little visual comparison here, just so you know that you are out to lunch (AGAIN):

Chrysler V10:

viper-v10.jpg


Ford V10 (minus the blower):

ford_hydrogen_v10.jpg



Now, lets make some pretty basic kindergarten-grade observations here:

1. The Chrysler V10 is 8.0L
2. The Ford V10 is 6.8L
3. The Chrysler V10 is PUSHROD
4. The Ford V10 is OVERHEAD CAM
5. The spark plugs on the CHRYSLER engine are on the SIDE OF THE HEAD
6. The spark plugs on the FORD engines are on the TOP OF THE HEAD

Are you cluing in yet? Are you getting the picture here????
 
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
I sen this on an alldata program showing the picture of the plug.


You "sen" what?
 
Originally Posted By: wafrederick1
Ford's V10 block is a Dodge V10 block made by the same manufaturer.


Ford's V10 block is little more than a Ford 5.4L Modular block with an extra cylinder added on each bank.

The Ford V10 has nothing in common with the Dodge V10. Nothing. They even take different approaches the quell V10 balance issues, with Ford using a split crank journal like Lamborghini as opposed to Dodge's odd firing order.

And last time I checked, Ford casts the V10 engine blocks in house at the Windsor engine plant.
 
Chrysler's V10 started off as a deviation of the 5.9L (pushrod)...

Originally Posted By: wikipedia
The Viper V10 is based on the rest of the LA family, and appeared with the Dodge Viper in 1992. It was conceived and prototyped as a Magnum 5.9 with two extra cylinders and a longer stroke of 3.88 in (99 mm).

Originally designed as a truck engine, Chrysler engineers revamped Dodge's cast-iron block V10 for the Viper by recasting the block and heads in aluminium alloy. Prototype blocks were cast by Lamborghini, at the time a Chrysler division. Some felt that the pushrod two-valve design, while adequate for the truck application for which the engine was originally created, was unsuitable for a performance car. However, Chrysler was uncertain about the Viper's production costs and sales potential and so declined to provide the budget for the modification


Whilst Ford's V10 is, as I stated, and then Ben99GT reiterated, a Ford 5.4L Modular with two extra cylinders.

Boy, they've got lots in common...............
 
Having had many Fords in our family growing up (that should tell you something right away) I will never go near one that isn't a truck--no way, no how. I won't even use Hertz when on business.

99 Tahoe, 04 Tahoe, 95 Corvette, 02 Corvette Z06 . Only two problems with ALL of these vehicles: evidently there is a motor that activates the unit to switch from 2WD to 4WD- that wnet on the 04, and also the infamous steering column coupler.

Ford trucks on the other hand, are a different story. If I needed a truck, it would be a Ford.

Steve
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Perhaps we need drug testing as a membership requirement.


How about just prove your age.
Or do you live in mom's basement?
 
I can see it now, who was the US president when you were born? Clinton? Bush 43? Sorry, come back after the 2012 election please.
 
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