Ford spec vs Euro whats euro is missing ?

[Baveux]

I am planning to purchase a new 2024/2025 F250 7.3 gas.

Ford recommends or requires 5W30 with the specification WSS-M2C961-A1. wonder what I would be missing from that specification if I opted for QS 5W40 Euro.

I have high confidence in that oil and am certain it added some years to my F150 3.5 Eco 4 cam phasers and chain.

Thank you for your input.

 

[Bullwinkle007]

I would just run M1 0/40 and forget about it.

 

[JavierH19]

Better than the ford minimum which is just a syn blend. Being in canada I think I'd use a 0w just for tad easier winter starts but 5w is still good at those temps.

 

[Baveux]

So you are saying that QS euro 5w40 is superior to the spec WSS-M2C961-A1 ?

Is there a place where I can get some sort of official position on that ? Thanks again

 

[shortyb]

You'd be missing the CAFE target.

 

[Baveux]

You'd be missing the CAFE target.

ohh.....lol

 

[BornSlippy]

So you are saying that QS euro 5w40 is superior to the spec WSS-M2C961-A1 ?

Is there a place where I can get some sort of official position on that ? Thanks again

Official position? From who?

Ford says use WSS-M2C961-A1. That's the only official position you are going to find.

 

[John Galt]

I bought this M-1 0w-40 European grade yesterday for $27.95 for a five qt jug. It has a Ford approval along with all the desired API and euro approvals.

 

[KCJeep]

That's not the Ford approval being discussed.

There's no doubt the Euro's loaded with approvals exceed the Ford spec minimum for protection, (lowly syn-blends have the cert) however as already mentioned they don't carry the Ford spec most likely because they are too thick to meet Ford's CAFE goals.

I won't hesitate to use a Euro once out of warranty. In the meantime, I'm running Valvoline which is thick for grade (HTHS 3.2 and 3.3 depending on flavor) and loaded with moly but still has the 961-A1 Ford approval.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I am planning to purchase a new 2024/2025 F250 7.3 gas.

Ford recommends or requires 5W30 with the specification WSS-M2C961-A1. wonder what I would be missing from that specification if I opted for QS 5W40 Euro.

I have high confidence in that oil and am certain it added some years to my F150 3.5 Eco 4 cam phasers and chain.

Thank you for your input.

Missing nothing other than a higher HTHS which will have some measurable, no matter how small, impact on fuel economy. WSS-M2C961-A1 is a spec which contains a LSPI test so you want something which meets the performance requirements of SP such as the QS 5w40 you're considering

 

[userfriendly]

Delo 400 5w40 CJ-4/SN+ going into my son’s 2012 6.2L today. It has been run on 5w20 all its life and could use a good cleaning up and stop the oil burning at the same time.
Going forward I have 7 jugs of 0w40 M1 FS API SP/A3B4 he can take up north with him.

The truck might see cold winter starts below minus 30, so 0Wxx is necessary.

Depending where you are in QC, 5Wxx is okay for cold starting above minus 30C.

My mother was McGill class of 1950.

 

[FlyingTexan]

I am planning to purchase a new 2024/2025 F250 7.3 gas.

Ford recommends or requires 5W30 with the specification WSS-M2C961-A1. wonder what I would be missing from that specification if I opted for QS 5W40 Euro.

I have high confidence in that oil and am certain it added some years to my F150 3.5 Eco 4 cam phasers and chain.

Thank you for your input.

You wouldn't be missing anything. The 7.3 is a very well designed engine that's a lot like the GM 6.0L gasser in reliability. It will run on anything and go forever. QS Euro is simply Pennzoil which is Shell. As far as off the the self oils go it's my personal favorite. Loads of approvals. You're not going to hurt that engine at all running it. Maybe someone here can say there's a better one to choose from real world experience but if I wasn't using FCP's oil program I'd be buying QS by the barrel. It's great oil.

 

[OilStainedNapkin]

That's not the Ford approval being discussed.

There's no doubt the Euro's loaded with approvals exceed the Ford spec minimum for protection, (lowly syn-blends have the cert) however as already mentioned they don't carry the Ford spec most likely because they are too thick to meet Ford's CAFE goals.

I won't hesitate to use a Euro once out of warranty. In the meantime, I'm running Valvoline which is thick for grade (HTHS 3.2 and 3.3 depending on flavor) and loaded with moly but still has the 961-A1 Ford approval.

Which valvoline product(s) are you referring to?

 

[KCJeep]

Which valvoline product(s) are you referring to?

Valvoline EP and EP HM 5w30.

 

[robburrow5150]

That's not the Ford approval being discussed.

There's no doubt the Euro's loaded with approvals exceed the Ford spec minimum for protection, (lowly syn-blends have the cert) however as already mentioned they don't carry the Ford spec most likely because they are too thick to meet Ford's CAFE goals.

I won't hesitate to use a Euro once out of warranty. In the meantime, I'm running Valvoline which is thick for grade (HTHS 3.2 and 3.3 depending on flavor) and loaded with moly but still has the 961-A1 Ford approval.

Ever mind. Saw the answer above.