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Ford Says Electric F-150 Will Start Under $40,000. It Can Also Power Your Home
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Huh. If the $ works out in 10 years, it will be a possibility on my list, or the ranger equivalent. As for my opinion, 2 thumbs up. Regarding camping, in 10 years I’m not sure what our effective range will be, or if we will be in as big of a hurry to get there. We could make it work for most of our trips now with one full charge in the middle.
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That might actually make the roads safer … have seen some ridiculous things pulled by the F150 with the tow rating wars in the last few years …
Some just need a Super Duty but wait for the first near miss (or worse) to accept that …
Yeah that's possibly right in my opinion.
Ranges based upon easiest circumstances. That's going to get some people into trouble if they don't realize the real limitations that EVs really have.
At one time cold and oil/ hydrocarbon technology were not all that compatible either.
Most of the United States is not mild like California and the west coast west of the Sierra Nevada and Cascades and or like Florida.
Batteries for all may sound great. In reality it may not be really workable for some time.
How many kilowatts does it take to move 3,000 pounds 30-50 miles ?
How about 400-600 miles ?
WITHOUT stopping...
Per kilogram gasoline or diesel has far greater energy potential vs a charged battery. 20 gallons of gas can take my car 560 miles. How much does 20 gallons of gas weigh ?
Just like fissile material has exceptionally far greater energy potential per kilogram vs diesel fuel. Thus why aircraft carriers and submarines went to fission reactor power generation.
I have used deep cycle batteries when freshwater fishing and I can tell you that those work well. In a small lake.
On a river where you need to go several miles... Yeah a gasoline motor is your only way to go that far. Then use the electric battery powered trolling motor once you are on a localized fishing spot.
Because if you do that all on battery power... That would be a whole, whole, whole lot more weight in batteries vs the weight in gasoline for that same trip.
Why would McD do that when they just want you gone in 5 mins?I've been waiting for McDonalds to announce they are installing fast chargers at all of their restaurants, that would solve the poor infrastructure really quick. Matter of fact, I'm gonna buy some MCD stock because it will pop 10% on this announcement....if it happens.
Regarding to all the haters out there, I really don't get it. It is not like Ford no longer sell the gas version anyways, and it is not like you will only be able to use this truck for the rest of your life. You cannot predict how much you need to tow 10 years ahead or else you will be doomed. You can always use another truck, hire someone to deliver for you, or just haul it twice once every 36 months or so if you insist.
I can see this truck being very useful in a fleet, in job site (as a power source), in specific location (indoor operation), in farmer's market (to power your booth), in mountain terrain (low center of gravity, regenerative braking to charge up your battery), as a backup power source for your home (say you have a blackout at home and you want to keep your fridge running and some lights on), and you drive through traffic jam all the time instead of no traffic rural driving (stop and go in a big truck uses a lot of fuel). It is a very useful truck for a lot of situation.
If you insist on charging fast you can always drive to a fast charger and plug it in for 30 mins break, plan your lunch hour somewhere with a fast charger and pay up when you really need the extra range or towing capacity.
Oh, for camping? It can be done if you go with a group of other trucks and have them tow your stuff so you can be there to provide battery power as a favor, or you can go alone with your camper and just stop a few more times between charging station, it is not impossible to do really, just don't expect to drive to a place and then park there for 3 months without moving or charging, this would be the wrong truck for that.
For 40k starting too, that's a very good deal.
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Only time will tell, but using 2016 as the bonafide starting point I don’t think we have heard of wholesale failures of Tesla lithium batteries yet. That’s five years so far.
That is one expensive generator!
"Would you drive an electric sedan with a single-charge range of more than 400 miles and automated driving functions, one that costs less than a Tesla Model 3 and, at least according to the manufacturer, can pull off a 2,000-mile road trip along chaotic highways during which the person behind the wheel needed to steer only about once every 60 miles? Those are the advertised specs of the P7, the sleek new model launched last year by China’s hot start-up XPeng.
That’s exactly what worries Washington. Fueled by government largesse, China’s electric-vehicle sector has raced ahead of America’s, sparking fears that the United States has fallen dangerously behind its chief rival in a crucial future industry. China’s “state capitalism” (Beijing prefers “socialism with Chinese characteristics”) is rewriting the rules of how countries and companies compete in the global economy."
That’s exactly what worries Washington. Fueled by government largesse, China’s electric-vehicle sector has raced ahead of America’s, sparking fears that the United States has fallen dangerously behind its chief rival in a crucial future industry. China’s “state capitalism” (Beijing prefers “socialism with Chinese characteristics”) is rewriting the rules of how countries and companies compete in the global economy."
Somebody will? What about the used market?
Why does everyone automatically assume we have to be all in on electric? Gas and electric vehicles can coexist. This truck will be great for Home improvement stuff/dump runs/etc that you’re not driving crazy distances. And why do we assume everyone is driving 300+ miles in one go so often that range is going to be a problem? I fill my truck up at half a tank regardless, that’s about 250 miles.
If this was available in that $40k range when I was looking at trucks, I would have been all over it. Assuming you can control how much it charges like a Tesla, I’d set it to charge to 70% max and just plug it in every night when I get home from work. Batteries would always be charged and should last a long time. And yes, I’m one of “those people” driving around with a bed full of air to and from work most of the time.
If this was available in that $40k range when I was looking at trucks, I would have been all over it. Assuming you can control how much it charges like a Tesla, I’d set it to charge to 70% max and just plug it in every night when I get home from work. Batteries would always be charged and should last a long time. And yes, I’m one of “those people” driving around with a bed full of air to and from work most of the time.
Impressive truck, I think they just need a diesel generator option for guys who need to drive far, or are out in the country where there's no charging station ever to be found. I presume its easier to make a diesel emissions compliant when its only got to run at one speed and at most efficient loading.
This is the key point. It will get better.
Imagine a contractor being able to charge their tools during a job, especially one that is off the beaten path? Fleet sales should include this truck. Utilities, government, safety etc.
There is some thinking outside the box to consider here.
Think about the potential use for tailgate parties: 70 inch TV, margarita maker, beach ball inflater, yada yada. No noisy generator to lug around. Plus it can haul all the lawn chairs home.
Tesla's website on the home page, 15 minutes on a supercharger gets you 200 miles of range. When you are a discerning foodie like myself, you want the McCafe, the Double Quarter Pounder, and a Hot Fudge Sundae. No way anyone is in and out in under 15 minutes. 200 miles later you can do the same thing. Supersizing the environmentally friendly American way.
For all the new EV converts out there, check your service panel. Do you have room for a 240V line for charging?
This can be expensive, depending on what you currently have. Older houses may have a 100A service, which is a costly starting point.
I had a 200A service installed years ago, so I was OK.
I had a union electrician run 60' of #6 copper wire from the service panel, under the house to a NEMA 14-50 plug in the garage.
I paid $600 including tip. The wire alone was close to $200.
You might be surprised how many people buy an EV and think about charging afterward... Oops!
This can be expensive, depending on what you currently have. Older houses may have a 100A service, which is a costly starting point.
I had a 200A service installed years ago, so I was OK.
I had a union electrician run 60' of #6 copper wire from the service panel, under the house to a NEMA 14-50 plug in the garage.
I paid $600 including tip. The wire alone was close to $200.
You might be surprised how many people buy an EV and think about charging afterward... Oops!
I checked mine and it is only 75A. If I ever get an EV charging from home I'll likely just do a Y split from the dryer and use it only when I'm not drying clothes.
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Most McD remodeling recently I have seen tore away the kid's playground or shrink it, and increase drive through lane. They likely don't want you to get into the store and sit for 15 mins, and oh btw, now let's sit for a bit longer since we are not 250 miles yet.
Where will you see these chargers? Shopping mall, Target, Grocery stores, Costco, etc. The higher profit retailer.
They are probably more worried about oil demand if everyone goes EV after China proved that you don't need all the oil you are selling for. Sure coal and gas and nuke are not clean energy but electricity are from diverse sources and less likely to be gouged.
US isn't any worse than European in the EV lead, but the oil demand drop would be a serious one (along with the work from home momentum after the pandemic). The only reason China still want partnership with Europe and US in auto industry is the engine tech, that would be gone if they move to mostly EV as a nation, as they have proven with the EV companies not needing foreign partners.
Japan is really behind in EV.