Ford knew Focus, Fiesta models had flawed transmission, sold them anyway
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Ford Fusion with the 2.5 auto would be my choice. Either new or slightly used for a good deal.
Ford should have dropped the Getrag DCT early on. They could have found a good fluid drive replacement. My dad had a 2012 Focus and traded it, after a year, for a KIA Forte. He didn't have confidence that Ford could fix the DCT. That did stop me from buying a 2017 Escape. I did have sense enough to avoid the 1.5 Ecoboost engine in the Escape. My Escape is nearing 35,000 miles and it has been trouble free.
Would I buy another Ford? Sure would. In fact, I'm looking at a 2019 F-150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost as my next ride.
Would I buy another Ford? Sure would. In fact, I'm looking at a 2019 F-150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost as my next ride.
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Originally Posted by Hakkinen
My girlfriend bought one on these recently (without my consent, though I must admit I knew nothing of the issue at the time).
A girlfriend that does something without your consent? Time to cut her loose, how dare she do something like that.
My girlfriend bought one on these recently (without my consent, though I must admit I knew nothing of the issue at the time).
A girlfriend that does something without your consent? Time to cut her loose, how dare she do something like that.
I was one of the biggest Ford fan boys going. At the present time there is nothing Ford offers that I would buy. I'm hoping the Bronco changes that but I have my doubts.
Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by JLTD
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
tl;dr moral of the story is to buy the manual transmission.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Back in 2011-2012 you would not have stated this. In fact I remember many saying to buy with confidence because in EU this model was proven. But most buyers over there get manual transmissions, which is not the case in NA.
I made the same, wrong assumption. The European DCT was of the wet-clutch variety as it was sold with high-torque Diesel engines. The North American version was dry-clutch which made all the difference.
And I made the same decision as others: having bought this fundamentally and significantly flawed vehicle with no real help from Ford I doubt I'll ever go back.
Originally Posted by JLTD
Originally Posted by bdcardinal
tl;dr moral of the story is to buy the manual transmission.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Back in 2011-2012 you would not have stated this. In fact I remember many saying to buy with confidence because in EU this model was proven. But most buyers over there get manual transmissions, which is not the case in NA.
I made the same, wrong assumption. The European DCT was of the wet-clutch variety as it was sold with high-torque Diesel engines. The North American version was dry-clutch which made all the difference.
And I made the same decision as others: having bought this fundamentally and significantly flawed vehicle with no real help from Ford I doubt I'll ever go back.
Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by Hakkinen
My girlfriend bought one on these recently (without my consent, though I must admit I knew nothing of the issue at the time).
A girlfriend that does something without your consent? Time to cut her loose, how dare she do something like that.
Originally Posted by Hakkinen
My girlfriend bought one on these recently (without my consent, though I must admit I knew nothing of the issue at the time).
A girlfriend that does something without your consent? Time to cut her loose, how dare she do something like that.
Originally Posted by CJWinWA
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota. I am currently on my 14th vehicle in 30 years, mostly because each new Ford I bought was worse than the one before, it had yet more defects that Ford refused to acknowledge, this left me in a pattern on buying new vehicles every couple years. I did once buy a new 1999 Chevy Silverado, it honestly didn't make it home from the dealership. I also bought two new Jeep Wranglers, ironically I had only one issue with the first one and none with the second. the first one had the air conditioner compressor replaced, this was not Chrysler's fault as it was a defective part from Nippon Denso.
I'm absolutely amazed that in 20,000 miles, my 2018 Toyota has needed only one repair, the battery died, zero hassles from Toyota. The abuse I suffered from Ford and GM was staggering, yet I kept going back because I fell into the buy American hooplah. I am now quite angry with myself for not switching to Toyota years ago. In my opinion, Ford deserves to wither and die along with their dealership network that is as guilty as Ford itself.
Holy cow, I feel like I could have written this post. Also have bought and driven Ford since 1989. The quality has gone down year after year and the dealers have been completely indifferent to my wants and needs as a customer. They outright refuse to acknowledge that anything is wrong with my vehicle(s).
I'm done.
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota. I am currently on my 14th vehicle in 30 years, mostly because each new Ford I bought was worse than the one before, it had yet more defects that Ford refused to acknowledge, this left me in a pattern on buying new vehicles every couple years. I did once buy a new 1999 Chevy Silverado, it honestly didn't make it home from the dealership. I also bought two new Jeep Wranglers, ironically I had only one issue with the first one and none with the second. the first one had the air conditioner compressor replaced, this was not Chrysler's fault as it was a defective part from Nippon Denso.
I'm absolutely amazed that in 20,000 miles, my 2018 Toyota has needed only one repair, the battery died, zero hassles from Toyota. The abuse I suffered from Ford and GM was staggering, yet I kept going back because I fell into the buy American hooplah. I am now quite angry with myself for not switching to Toyota years ago. In my opinion, Ford deserves to wither and die along with their dealership network that is as guilty as Ford itself.
Holy cow, I feel like I could have written this post. Also have bought and driven Ford since 1989. The quality has gone down year after year and the dealers have been completely indifferent to my wants and needs as a customer. They outright refuse to acknowledge that anything is wrong with my vehicle(s).
I'm done.
Originally Posted by CJWinWA
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota.
Is that the same Toyota that had decades of frames that rotted through in a few short years? The same Toyota that has multiple class action lawsuits because of rotting frames as recently as the 2011 model year? Frames that have literally fallen apart when driving down the road? That Toyota?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzepz8lfe6l469y/Weinreich class action.pdf?dl=0
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com/
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota.
Is that the same Toyota that had decades of frames that rotted through in a few short years? The same Toyota that has multiple class action lawsuits because of rotting frames as recently as the 2011 model year? Frames that have literally fallen apart when driving down the road? That Toyota?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzepz8lfe6l469y/Weinreich class action.pdf?dl=0
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com/
Originally Posted by Fawteen
Originally Posted by CJWinWA
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota.
Is that the same Toyota that had decades of frames that rotted through in a few short years? The same Toyota that has multiple class action lawsuits because of rotting frames as recently as the 2011 model year? Frames that have literally fallen apart when driving down the road? That Toyota?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzepz8lfe6l469y/Weinreich class action.pdf?dl=0
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com/
Toyotas weren't the only trucks that had frame rust problems, so did Ford, I had one. The other manufacturers may have also had problems, I don't know. The difference between Toyota and Ford is that Toyota replaced many of those rusted frames free of charge, Ford did not.
Ford has a long history of denying that they have factory defects and legitimate warranty claims because of them (the topic of this thread).
Originally Posted by CJWinWA
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota.
Is that the same Toyota that had decades of frames that rotted through in a few short years? The same Toyota that has multiple class action lawsuits because of rotting frames as recently as the 2011 model year? Frames that have literally fallen apart when driving down the road? That Toyota?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzepz8lfe6l469y/Weinreich class action.pdf?dl=0
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com/
Toyotas weren't the only trucks that had frame rust problems, so did Ford, I had one. The other manufacturers may have also had problems, I don't know. The difference between Toyota and Ford is that Toyota replaced many of those rusted frames free of charge, Ford did not.
Ford has a long history of denying that they have factory defects and legitimate warranty claims because of them (the topic of this thread).
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Terrible company decision to put out poor known defective and unreliable product and not correct early on and dump on consumers for YEARS.
It would've been cheaper to just replace them with real transmissions
Originally Posted by Fawteen
Originally Posted by CJWinWA
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota.
Is that the same Toyota that had decades of frames that rotted through in a few short years? The same Toyota that has multiple class action lawsuits because of rotting frames as recently as the 2011 model year? Frames that have literally fallen apart when driving down the road? That Toyota?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzepz8lfe6l469y/Weinreich class action.pdf?dl=0
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com/
I've commented before on my experience with a Ford Ranger from the eighties. Never again. I got rid of it and picked up a Tacoma. Absolutely no problems, frame or otherwise. Compared to the Ranger that didn't two to three visits to the dealership each year for various issues the Tacoma was a dream.
Originally Posted by CJWinWA
After thirty years of buying new Ford trucks, last year I bought a Toyota.
Is that the same Toyota that had decades of frames that rotted through in a few short years? The same Toyota that has multiple class action lawsuits because of rotting frames as recently as the 2011 model year? Frames that have literally fallen apart when driving down the road? That Toyota?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pzepz8lfe6l469y/Weinreich class action.pdf?dl=0
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com/
I've commented before on my experience with a Ford Ranger from the eighties. Never again. I got rid of it and picked up a Tacoma. Absolutely no problems, frame or otherwise. Compared to the Ranger that didn't two to three visits to the dealership each year for various issues the Tacoma was a dream.
2012... back then I made a few forum mentions of the Focus's aberrant shift behavior, forget which forums... but I do recall, the backlash was FEROCIOUS from the buy-America anti-Toyota crowd. Several Focii in the extended family, it's not like I didn't know what I was talking about.
Hmm not here. But I did know about it:
One mention: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...al-has-transmission-problems#Post3992190
Another: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...95/re-tach-jump-downshift-at#Post3631195
Hmm not here. But I did know about it:
One mention: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...al-has-transmission-problems#Post3992190
Another: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...95/re-tach-jump-downshift-at#Post3631195
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Originally Posted by HangFire
2012... back then I made a few forum mentions of the Focus's aberrant shift behavior, forget which forums... but I do recall, the backlash was FEROCIOUS from the buy-America anti-Toyota crowd. Several Focii in the extended family, it's not like I didn't know what I was talking about.
Sad part is they are really nice cars wrapped around that poor excuse for a transmission that ruins the whole driving experience.
2012... back then I made a few forum mentions of the Focus's aberrant shift behavior, forget which forums... but I do recall, the backlash was FEROCIOUS from the buy-America anti-Toyota crowd. Several Focii in the extended family, it's not like I didn't know what I was talking about.
Sad part is they are really nice cars wrapped around that poor excuse for a transmission that ruins the whole driving experience.
Toyota fixed their rusted frames after a settlement with Dana the company that produced the frames. Ford also received a settlement from Dana for rusted frames, but pocketed the money rather than fixing customer vehicles.
Don't believe that malarky about the beloved Pinto...
I am looking for one right now to trade my chump-change Model 3 for.
I am looking for one right now to trade my chump-change Model 3 for.
Ford did know - my kid bought a focus and Ford hosed him.
I'm really bummed by this because I was quite happy with my prior Ford product, F150's and SHO.
One of my employees bought a small car with a tiny ecoboost and it was a total lemon.
Aside from the F series it simply feels like a gamble buying Ford these days.
UD
I'm really bummed by this because I was quite happy with my prior Ford product, F150's and SHO.
One of my employees bought a small car with a tiny ecoboost and it was a total lemon.
Aside from the F series it simply feels like a gamble buying Ford these days.
UD
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
My apologies if this was already posted. Can delete if it was.
https://amp.freep.com/amp/1671198001
This is a Godzilla huge article detailing just how great the scope of this issue is, that Ford knew from before the first car rolled out, and how both Ford and the NHTSA plan to continue to do pretty much nothing about it.
Classic TL
R-but anybody who buys Ford anything these days has to be insane! The F series seems to be a reasonably safe gamble, but the issues I've seen with their cargo vans, minivans (when they still built them), and most of their cars dwarf all the other manufacturers' issues combined.
My apologies if this was already posted. Can delete if it was.
https://amp.freep.com/amp/1671198001
This is a Godzilla huge article detailing just how great the scope of this issue is, that Ford knew from before the first car rolled out, and how both Ford and the NHTSA plan to continue to do pretty much nothing about it.
Classic TL
R-but anybody who buys Ford anything these days has to be insane! The F series seems to be a reasonably safe gamble, but the issues I've seen with their cargo vans, minivans (when they still built them), and most of their cars dwarf all the other manufacturers' issues combined.- Status