ford explorer start up rattle. Better Oil?

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Originally Posted By: Trav
Hydraulic lash/lifters adjusters are in principal the same whether they are down inside the engine riding on top of the cam or OHC,the only difference is the missing push rods and location within the engine block.


I was expanding on the issue (as described earlier in the thread) as being related to the TIMING CHAIN TENSIONER, which the old pushrod motor DOES NOT HAVE. That's why I said it was completely different.

Originally Posted By: Trav
The same issues with sticking,bleed down and face wear are true of both types.On 4.6 and 5.4 V8 engines the ADBV is critical because the filter is horizontal,on this engine it isn't.


Nobody was talking about that, but I agree. As I said, my post was in relation to the tensioner and the pushrod motor not having one.

Originally Posted By: Trav
I would bet on the tensioner as the source of the noise which is common to all these motors,because they are fed by the oiling system they can get varnish in them and stick.


This seems to be the general consensus. I agree.

Originally Posted By: Trav
BTW for the poster who said the 427 was never used in a production ford.The Thunderbolt was a production car that used this engine.The Twisted Hemi 429 was used in Mustangs but a few did find their way into a small production of Cyclones.
http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1964-ford-thunderbolt.htm


Wrong 427. There were THREE variants of this engine, only ONE having overhead cams. The 427 SOHC was never a factory-fitted engine. Re-read what I wrote. I said the 427 SOHC was never factory-fitted, which is true.

There was the 427, 427 side-oiler and the 427 SOHC. The last one made the most power by a wide margin, had true hemispherical chambers, and is actually what the mod motors were partially based on. The Thunderbolt had either the normal 427 or the side-oiler, I don't remember which, but it didn't have the Cammer.

In regard to the BOSS 429, it was also apparently fitted into a couple Torinos (I've seen pictures, and this was the chassis Petty raced it in) but no official Ford serial numbers exist for these vehicles

 

[Trav]

Thanks for that clarification.In 1977 i bought a used 70 cyclone spoiler with a twisted hemi under the hood,not the 429 scj that was the standard motor.We never did find out if this was a genuine RPO or not,it was listed in the owners manual.I have read claims that none to a few were original in these cars,any idea?The car got turned into an accordion by a drunk driver while parked in 82 but the engine and trans survived.

 

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Originally Posted By: Trav
Thanks for that clarification.In 1977 i bought a used 70 cyclone spoiler with a twisted hemi under the hood,not the 429 scj that was the standard motor.We never did find out if this was a genuine RPO or not,it was listed in the owners manual.I have read claims that none to a few were original in these cars,any idea?The car got turned into an accordion by a drunk driver while parked in 82 but the engine and trans survived.


If you still have that engine, it's worth a small fortune. BOSS 429 Mustangs reap STUPID money, as do their power plants. That engine in conjunction with the 426 HEMI was the reason that hemispherical heads were banned from Nascar competition.

It has the potential to make absolutely STUPID power. Using a tall-deck marine 429 block, and the Ford "A" heads done by Endyne, that engine in 830ci stroker form will make OVER 2000HP ON MOTOR running on gasoline.

Jon Kaase sells an engine based on that combo for Pro Stock Mountain Motor class. These engines have been cleaning up in this class for YEARS. "A" heads, 814ci (limit for the class), Purvis Ford has run 6.3x with one of these engines in their Shelby bodied car. I watched it, with only 14 passes under it's belt, break both the MPH AND ET record at Grand Bend Motorsport Park a couple of years ago. It also cleaned up at Cayuga.

I have some pictures of it kicking around. We hung out with them for a while after the races, great bunch of people.

 

[Trav]

Thanks for the info OVERK1LL. Your not kidding when you say stupid power.With no PS and a horn built in into the inside rim of the steering wheel meant blowing the horn while turning almost every corner,the car had terrible habits the worst one for me any way was it liked to shear the pins off holding the diff to the leaf springs and breaking parts.Just way to much power for the aging uni-body.I treasure every moment with that car,it didn'te break eggs with a light tap it hit it with a sledge hammmer.

 

[tenderloin]

A couple of cammer pictures
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/articles/lfm-issue01-a2-1.php

BTW Sneaky Pete Robinson replaced the chain on his cammer with a gear system. Unfortunately on several levels, he died running his AA/FD dragster at Pomona.

Boss 429

http://www.mustangandfords.com/eventcoverage/mufp_0703_2006_sema_show_classic_fords/photo_24.html

 

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Originally Posted By: tenderloin
A couple of cammer pictures
http://www.geocities.com/infieldg/v8sohc427.html

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/articles/lfm-issue01-a2-1.php

BTW Sneaky Pete Robinson replaced the chain on his cammer with a gear system. Unfortunately on several levels, he died running his AA/FD dragster at Pomona.

Boss 429

http://www.mustangandfords.com/eventcoverage/mufp_0703_2006_sema_show_classic_fords/photo_24.html


Here, you'll love these ones:

http://www.wrljet.com/fordv8/boss429.html

http://nzmustang.com/History/BOSS429.htm

http://www.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/5154_69_tasca_super_boss_429/index.html

And a Kaase 814ci mill: