Oh one thing I thought everyone here might find interesting is the print out for the Rogue had a $49.95 price on it that said oil for life VIP. Does that mean I have free oil changes from the dealer for life? For only $49? I did not notice that charge until I got home and was looking at the paper so I did not ask the dealer.
Ford Escape vs Nissan Rogue?
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Originally Posted By: mcrn
Ok so I spent almost all day yesterday at Ford and Nissan dealers.... after test driving both I realize the rogue will keep me interested in driving where the Escape just felt like an appliance. The Rogue seemed more refined in every way. The 4cyl escape in 3 that I drove with an automatic and a very rough idle where the rogues that I drove were smoother than my Yukon with a V8 and felt like a sports car compared to the Escape. There were also several interior features of the Rogue I liked better. The escapes light colored steering wheel was a turn off. I like the black/dark look of the Rogue much better. The seats fit me better and the driving position was superior. So I had both dealers talked down to the same out the door price. So this AM I am waiting to contact my insurance company and I will probably pull the trigger on the Rogue as long as the insurance cost is not much more than im paying now. With the Escape I know the payment would only increase 2 dollars a year.
Mentioned it before, but I think that everyone looking at a vehicle in this segment should take a close look at the Chevy Equinox/GMC Terrain. They are both rated very highly in this class, especially for rear passenger volume, and interior noise. Not to mention that they come with a normal 6 speed auto, and the rogue iirc comes with a CVT. The Escape is built in Kansas City, the nox/terrain in Ontario, Canada, and the Rogue in Japan. Not that there is anything wrong really with it being built in Japan, but it's something to consider.
Ok so I spent almost all day yesterday at Ford and Nissan dealers.... after test driving both I realize the rogue will keep me interested in driving where the Escape just felt like an appliance. The Rogue seemed more refined in every way. The 4cyl escape in 3 that I drove with an automatic and a very rough idle where the rogues that I drove were smoother than my Yukon with a V8 and felt like a sports car compared to the Escape. There were also several interior features of the Rogue I liked better. The escapes light colored steering wheel was a turn off. I like the black/dark look of the Rogue much better. The seats fit me better and the driving position was superior. So I had both dealers talked down to the same out the door price. So this AM I am waiting to contact my insurance company and I will probably pull the trigger on the Rogue as long as the insurance cost is not much more than im paying now. With the Escape I know the payment would only increase 2 dollars a year.
Mentioned it before, but I think that everyone looking at a vehicle in this segment should take a close look at the Chevy Equinox/GMC Terrain. They are both rated very highly in this class, especially for rear passenger volume, and interior noise. Not to mention that they come with a normal 6 speed auto, and the rogue iirc comes with a CVT. The Escape is built in Kansas City, the nox/terrain in Ontario, Canada, and the Rogue in Japan. Not that there is anything wrong really with it being built in Japan, but it's something to consider.
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I haven't chimed in on this BUT coming from a Nissan (murano), I will never own another Nissan. Who would have thought the seat bracket and all the motors was one piece and you had to buy it as such for $1000 (mind you this is a proven failed design and Nissan refuses to accept the responsibility).
Escape all the way
No matter if it has no "get up and go"
Escape all the way
No matter if it has no "get up and go"
Originally Posted By: mcrn
Hey Nick...I did consider the nox and terrain but it was a few thousand more than either the rogue and the escape.
I'm telling you, the Rogue will be too small with almost 200 pounds of dogs. I have 165 pounds of dogs (2 total) and the size of the Rogue for space for the dogs, and to still have some space for luggage while traveling, was one of the reasons we didn't get it.
We ended up getting a new version Nox. If you haven't been to the dealer(s) for one and/or a Terrain you have no idea the price compared to the Escape or Rogue. Ours was stickered at a little over $26k, and our OTD price was less than $24k. And this was at a time when the new design had been out for literally less than a month (end of July 2009) and these things were flying off lots even though there were no factory rebates or incentives to be had. And if it ends up being a few thousand more, so what? No sense getting a vehicle that doesn't suit your needs.
If you get the Rogue and three months from now wish you had more space, don't say you weren't warned.
Hey Nick...I did consider the nox and terrain but it was a few thousand more than either the rogue and the escape.
I'm telling you, the Rogue will be too small with almost 200 pounds of dogs. I have 165 pounds of dogs (2 total) and the size of the Rogue for space for the dogs, and to still have some space for luggage while traveling, was one of the reasons we didn't get it.
We ended up getting a new version Nox. If you haven't been to the dealer(s) for one and/or a Terrain you have no idea the price compared to the Escape or Rogue. Ours was stickered at a little over $26k, and our OTD price was less than $24k. And this was at a time when the new design had been out for literally less than a month (end of July 2009) and these things were flying off lots even though there were no factory rebates or incentives to be had. And if it ends up being a few thousand more, so what? No sense getting a vehicle that doesn't suit your needs.
If you get the Rogue and three months from now wish you had more space, don't say you weren't warned.
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
Yeah, I don't really 'understandand' these complaints about Duratecs being noisy - this engine isn't any noisier than any other V-6 of this size....they have a growl under hard throttle, but so does ANY V-6.
It's not the noise level, but the sound quality. A co-worker has a 2009 Escape, and our neighbor had a '10 Escape for about a year. The engine noise is not all that "refined". I can tell you from personal experience that other V-6 engines are far more "refined" sounding, to me. This is very subjective, though, which is why you'll get a million answers to the question, "what does a 'good ride' mean to you?"
I wonder if it's intake manifold noise/resonance. Do they have a sound-deadening cover on top of the engine? If I remove the sound-deadening cover from our Acura's engine, the engine sounds noisier and grainier. Still not as loud in a Duratec in an Escape, but at that point, vehicle insulation is probably the difference. I think most Duratecs use plastic upper intakes...if there's no sound-deadening material on top of the upper intake, I'll bet that's where the noise is coming from.
The Duratec isn't the only modern V-6 that sounds noisy to me. Toyota's 3.5L GR-series engines (at least in the Sienna and Venza I've driven) sound like they're lubricated with marbles. I also don't care for the sound quality of Chrysler's new Pentastar engine. It sounds pretty grainy. There's no comparing these engines to a Honda V-6 or an older Toyota MZ-series V-6 like the former 3.3L in the Sienna. This co-worker of mine with the '08 Escape, he just traded an '04 Sienna for a '12 CR-V. That Sienna's engine was a model of V-6 refinement. Another sweet-sounding V-6, to me, is GM's HF V-6 engines, like the 3.6L in the CTS. Super-smooth, super-refined.
Left out Nissan's VQ
, but I'm biased
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Yeah, I don't really 'understandand' these complaints about Duratecs being noisy - this engine isn't any noisier than any other V-6 of this size....they have a growl under hard throttle, but so does ANY V-6.
It's not the noise level, but the sound quality. A co-worker has a 2009 Escape, and our neighbor had a '10 Escape for about a year. The engine noise is not all that "refined". I can tell you from personal experience that other V-6 engines are far more "refined" sounding, to me. This is very subjective, though, which is why you'll get a million answers to the question, "what does a 'good ride' mean to you?"
I wonder if it's intake manifold noise/resonance. Do they have a sound-deadening cover on top of the engine? If I remove the sound-deadening cover from our Acura's engine, the engine sounds noisier and grainier. Still not as loud in a Duratec in an Escape, but at that point, vehicle insulation is probably the difference. I think most Duratecs use plastic upper intakes...if there's no sound-deadening material on top of the upper intake, I'll bet that's where the noise is coming from.
The Duratec isn't the only modern V-6 that sounds noisy to me. Toyota's 3.5L GR-series engines (at least in the Sienna and Venza I've driven) sound like they're lubricated with marbles. I also don't care for the sound quality of Chrysler's new Pentastar engine. It sounds pretty grainy. There's no comparing these engines to a Honda V-6 or an older Toyota MZ-series V-6 like the former 3.3L in the Sienna. This co-worker of mine with the '08 Escape, he just traded an '04 Sienna for a '12 CR-V. That Sienna's engine was a model of V-6 refinement. Another sweet-sounding V-6, to me, is GM's HF V-6 engines, like the 3.6L in the CTS. Super-smooth, super-refined.
Left out Nissan's VQ
, but I'm biasedYou know, the Cube actually has more cargo room than the Rogue.
But it's assymmetric and just weird.
I think I would prefer an HHR or a xB over a Rogue. The first generation of the xB with the 1.5 believe it or not. It's funky but not too funky like the Cube, actually drives sort of sporty for a Toyota box and it's got cargo space.
I didn't have any problems with the HHR's footwells but others have complained that they are somewhat pinched. I paid attention to the last one I had in my shop and they are noticeably more narrow than my PT Cruiser's. The cargo area is shallower than the PT's but longer front to back. I think the pooches would approve.
There's also the Jeep Patriot which like the Rogue can be equipped with a CVT and AWD. Unlike the Rogue, it's made in Illinois.
But it's assymmetric and just weird.
I think I would prefer an HHR or a xB over a Rogue. The first generation of the xB with the 1.5 believe it or not. It's funky but not too funky like the Cube, actually drives sort of sporty for a Toyota box and it's got cargo space.
I didn't have any problems with the HHR's footwells but others have complained that they are somewhat pinched. I paid attention to the last one I had in my shop and they are noticeably more narrow than my PT Cruiser's. The cargo area is shallower than the PT's but longer front to back. I think the pooches would approve.
There's also the Jeep Patriot which like the Rogue can be equipped with a CVT and AWD. Unlike the Rogue, it's made in Illinois.
The Honda Element would also be a good choice. They even have "Dog Friendly" edition accessories, including integrated dog carriers, ramps, etc. It's made alongside the CR-V in East Liberty, Ohio.
Some information on the "Dog Friendly" features:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Element#Dog_Friendly_concept
It appears that 2011 is the last model year for the Element, so you might be able to get a good deal on one.
Some information on the "Dog Friendly" features:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Element#Dog_Friendly_concept
It appears that 2011 is the last model year for the Element, so you might be able to get a good deal on one.
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
The Honda Element would also be a good choice. They even have "Dog Friendly" edition accessories, including integrated dog carriers, ramps, etc. It's made alongside the CR-V in East Liberty, Ohio.
Some information on the "Dog Friendly" features:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Element#Dog_Friendly_concept
It appears that 2011 is the last model year for the Element, so you might be able to get a good deal on one.
I was thinking Element too, but you have to pay extra for the dog friendly bone patterned floor mat.
The Honda Element would also be a good choice. They even have "Dog Friendly" edition accessories, including integrated dog carriers, ramps, etc. It's made alongside the CR-V in East Liberty, Ohio.
Some information on the "Dog Friendly" features:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Element#Dog_Friendly_concept
It appears that 2011 is the last model year for the Element, so you might be able to get a good deal on one.
I was thinking Element too, but you have to pay extra for the dog friendly bone patterned floor mat.
You don't have to buy the "Dog Friendly" trim; even the basic Element is perfect for hauling large pets, and to my understanding, most of the "Dog Friendly" items can be bought as accessories and added to any Element.
The Rogue seems to be more comparable to the Ford Edge. The 3.5 in the Edge makes good power and since it looks like it will be replaced by the redesigned Explorer you may be able to find one in your price range. There seems to be some love for the Terrain on here as well. My recommendation would just be to drive a few more SUV's before you decide and if you still like the nissan best buy it then.
Without it, the Element has the polypropylene floors. Dogs do not like slippery surfaces in a moving car.
You could probably just get a carpet remnant and cover that though so they can keep their footing while keeping their noses stuck through the rear vent window to sniff at everything outside.
On second thought, vent windows are a fail. Too hard to get their noses in the moving air.
Back to the xB
You could probably just get a carpet remnant and cover that though so they can keep their footing while keeping their noses stuck through the rear vent window to sniff at everything outside.
On second thought, vent windows are a fail. Too hard to get their noses in the moving air.
Back to the xB
The Escape, hands down. It simply has more practical space, by virtue of being a "pure" box.
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Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
My MIL has a Escape V6, its 1 year old now.... Road noise is pronounced, especially in the rear seats. The ride quality is also on the slightly uncomfortable side....
This underscores the quandry that automakers face. They build SUVs because of what the name implies - they are Sport Utility Vehicles, and are designed to be used off-road. But because of the popularity of people buying them for suburban driving, these owners now complain of the harsh ride. Automakers (as yet) will not dumb-down the ride for suburbanites. If you need a soft ride, perhaps other types of vehicles should be considered.
My MIL has a Escape V6, its 1 year old now.... Road noise is pronounced, especially in the rear seats. The ride quality is also on the slightly uncomfortable side....
This underscores the quandry that automakers face. They build SUVs because of what the name implies - they are Sport Utility Vehicles, and are designed to be used off-road. But because of the popularity of people buying them for suburban driving, these owners now complain of the harsh ride. Automakers (as yet) will not dumb-down the ride for suburbanites. If you need a soft ride, perhaps other types of vehicles should be considered.
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Automakers (as yet) will not dumb-down the ride for suburbanites. If you need a soft ride, perhaps other types of vehicles should be considered.
I don't know...from what I read, the GM Equinox/Terrain twins have pretty supple rides, rivaling those of comfortable sedans depending on the review you read. Just like with any market niche, there are some that ride better than others. You can find some pretty rock-hard-riding sedans out there as well. It just depends on what you're after. Fortunately, choice abounds in this market.
Automakers (as yet) will not dumb-down the ride for suburbanites. If you need a soft ride, perhaps other types of vehicles should be considered.
I don't know...from what I read, the GM Equinox/Terrain twins have pretty supple rides, rivaling those of comfortable sedans depending on the review you read. Just like with any market niche, there are some that ride better than others. You can find some pretty rock-hard-riding sedans out there as well. It just depends on what you're after. Fortunately, choice abounds in this market.
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
It just depends on what you're after. Fortunately, choice abounds in this market.
Absolutely.
I recently helped a young lady select from the crop of cute-utes and it was very eye opening.
BTW, she bought the Terrain. After looking at virtually the ENTIRE market segment it really stood out for its equipment versus price, and perceived value.
It just depends on what you're after. Fortunately, choice abounds in this market.
Absolutely.
I recently helped a young lady select from the crop of cute-utes and it was very eye opening.
BTW, she bought the Terrain. After looking at virtually the ENTIRE market segment it really stood out for its equipment versus price, and perceived value.
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