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Guessing all the costs involved in producing and then selling a large and capable EV SUV are not reasonable.

I know BITOG members are higher income folks, but let’s be reasonable, the market for $150k+ full sized SUV’s is quite small and getting smaller.

If a Wagoneer or Excursion is near $100k now, an EV version with a $45k, 200++ kWh battery will be that much more at a bare minimum.
 
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It looks like Ford has given up on the EV, no surprise. This is in other sources also before someone starts yelling fake news. LOL

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmon...ift-amid-plummeting-demand-electric-cars.html
Seems like most if not all of the major legacy OEMs have done an ebrake 180 on their electric ambitions.
First it was the gm and Honda partnership to "get Tesla" was ended. GovtMtrs canceled most of their big electric plans. Then bmw haulted their bullion eureo electric expansion. 3 prong did the same. Ford cut lightning and mache production target numbers. Nissan is still meh on electrics. Toyotas electric plans committed sepku. Honda doubled down on fuel cells so did Toyota. Mazda doubled down on their ICE lineup when pressed recently. Ford with something battery related and then Ford again with this. Who's next? Probably ford.
I heard one of the many reasons Fordmazda broke up was over electrics, looks like Mazda got the better end of that deal.
Seems like Mazda, Nissan has the right idea all along not flushing billions of dollars down the electric toilet.
Hydrogen is a dead end. If battery powered cars that cost nearly nothing to run fail then Hydrogen which is many times more expensive to run will fail way harder and faster than battery powered. Hydrogen will make battery powered like a success.
 
Seems like most if not all of the major legacy OEMs have done an ebrake 180 on their electric ambitions.
First it was the gm and Honda partnership to "get Tesla" was ended. GovtMtrs canceled most of their big electric plans. Then bmw haulted their bullion eureo electric expansion. 3 prong did the same. Ford cut lightning and mache production target numbers. Nissan is still meh on electrics. Toyotas electric plans committed sepku. Honda doubled down on fuel cells so did Toyota. Mazda doubled down on their ICE lineup when pressed recently. Ford with something battery related and then Ford again with this. Who's next? Probably ford.
I heard one of the many reasons Fordmazda broke up was over electrics, looks like Mazda got the better end of that deal.
Seems like Mazda, Nissan has the right idea all along not flushing billions of dollars down the electric toilet.
Hydrogen is a dead end. If battery powered cars that cost nearly nothing to run fail then Hydrogen which is many times more expensive to run will fail way harder and faster than battery powered. Hydrogen will make battery powered like a success.

It was supposed to be super easy, just copy tesla - remember?
 
Guessing all the costs involved in producing and then selling a large and capable EV SUV is not reasonable.

I know BITOG members are higher income folks, but let’s be reasonable, the market for $150k full sized SUV’s is quite small and getting smaller.

If a Wagoneer or Excursion is near $100k now, an EV version with a $45k, 200++ kWh battery will be that much more at a bare minimum.
Yeah I've never paid more than $7,000 for a vehicle. If I have to make more than 1 payment, it's too expensive.
That's why I bought a hail dented $3,000 Dodge Dakota, had it 6 months before it got more hail dents. That storm would have caused $20,000 damage to a new truck. Cost me $400 for a windshield. I can toss fire wood, scrap metal, agriculture supplies, building materials, shattered solar panels, in the bed and not worry about a little scratch or dent.
 
Seems like most if not all of the major legacy OEMs have done an ebrake 180 on their electric ambitions.
First it was the gm and Honda partnership to "get Tesla" was ended. GovtMtrs canceled most of their big electric plans. Then bmw haulted their bullion eureo electric expansion. 3 prong did the same. Ford cut lightning and mache production target numbers. Nissan is still meh on electrics. Toyotas electric plans committed sepku. Honda doubled down on fuel cells so did Toyota. Mazda doubled down on their ICE lineup when pressed recently. Ford with something battery related and then Ford again with this. Who's next? Probably ford.
I heard one of the many reasons Fordmazda broke up was over electrics, looks like Mazda got the better end of that deal.
Seems like Mazda, Nissan has the right idea all along not flushing billions of dollars down the electric toilet.
Hydrogen is a dead end. If battery powered cars that cost nearly nothing to run fail then Hydrogen which is many times more expensive to run will fail way harder and faster than battery powered. Hydrogen will make battery powered like a success.
You left out Mercedes backing off their E vehicles.
 
Truth be told, Tesla's truck with half a battery "ain't" cheap either. Ask Tesla to double the battery size and put an SUV body on the Cyber Truck and I'd fully expect $150K++ costs also.

None of this is making any sense what so ever.
Yeah it makes sense. You got to buy a vehicle with a 1,000 to 2,000lb battery that created tons of toxic byproducts and CO2 in it's wake to save the world. If you say anything to the contrary you're a bigot, racist, conspiracy theorist, trump supporter, ect.
 
It was supposed to be super easy, just copy tesla - remember?
Tesla still can't get their fit and finish right, plus they treat alot of customers who aren't influencers like dirt. If it wasn't for the cult like following they'd be gone. I worked for an independent dealership that purchased a 6 month old Model x back right after they came out. The door latch failed so it wouldn't go into drive ( goofy Tesla issues). Not sure now but Tesla said they'll tow free of charge to the closest service center. They used every excuse in the book to get out of paying.
 
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Truth be told, Tesla's truck with half a battery "ain't" cheap either. Ask Tesla to double the battery size and put an SUV body on the Cyber Truck and I'd fully expect $150K++ costs also.

None of this is making any sense what so ever.
And recently a couple of websites figured out that the weird "range extender" ie bed battery Tesla is charging alot per Kwh to add it. Then it takes up a third of the bed and adds another 1,000 pounds.
 
And recently a couple of websites figured out that the weird "range extender" ie bed battery Tesla is charging alot per Kwh to add it. Then it takes up a third of the bed and adds another 1,000 pounds.
Wow. I heard it was expensive and took up a third of the bed. I didn't know it was another thousand pounds, with potentially a hundred or so pounds of world saving lithium hexafluoride.
People should really look up what some of these chemicals do when released into the environment.
 
Fake news. They haven't "given up on the EV". They've canceled their Explorer-sized 3-Row electric SUV.

They probably realize that like most other models, they can't compete with Kia anymore on a design and engineering basis. This canceled EV would've been equivalent to Kia's EV9 which can be had for in the $50s. Ford probably realized we can't compete with that.
 
Guessing all the costs involved in producing and then selling a large and capable EV SUV are not reasonable.

I know BITOG members are higher income folks, but let’s be reasonable, the market for $150k+ full sized SUV’s is quite small and getting smaller.

If a Wagoneer or Excursion is near $100k now, an EV version with a $45k, 200++ kWh battery will be that much more at a bare minimum.
Kia's 3-Row EV SUV starts in the low $50's.
 
"Wait till the big boys get in!"
Tesla is the only company, with the possible exception of BMW, that makes a profit on EVs.
Uhh really? If you did any digging GM is making a profit on their electric vehicles. Face it Tesla owners will put up with alot more than most customers will. From reading Tesla seems to be one of the few manufacturers that have unsold vehicles piling up on extra lots. They have a ton of vehicles sitting in an abandoned mall parking lot acting as an overflow lot. If Tesla is so smart as you claim why can't they figure out their production numbers to keep manufacturing and sales in line? Just asking.
 
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