Ford announces new assembly plant in Mexico.

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: Danh
The reports I see say Ford will not reduce US employment as a result of this new plant. The Wayne, MI facility that makes the Focus and C-Max will be converted to the new Ranger pickup and Bronco SUV. On the other hand, is a missed opportunity to increase Ford's US workforce.

It's a curious thing: Honda seems able to make an Accord profitably with a US assembly plant and 70-80% US/Canadian parts content. Yet the equivalent Ford Fusion has to be assembled in Mexico with 25% or so US/Canadian parts to make financial sense.

For all of those complaining about Ford's decision, just don't buy the brand; you may be doing the economy more good with (for example) and Accord or Civic rather than a Fusion or Focus.


I sort of agree, but I try to pick models that are both USA assembled from a US manufacturer and have a reasonable parts content. There are many unanswered questions like where is the R&D done, where does the tooling come from, where do the profits go, where are the parts suppliers from?

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The Union issue is just a side show. There are plenty of states such as Texas or SC where that's not a factor. The number one issue is the trade agreements that Washington has saddled the American people with. Remember there is no such thing as free trade. Washington gave away what ever it had too to get NAFTA in place. Heavily biased towards the American worker.


Yes, and it was big money corporate influence that bought that decision.

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: oldhp
I hope ALL the Union haters get pay cuts when ALL the Unions fail and EVERYBODY gets paid $15 per hour. ALL pay scales are set by Union labor pay scales. The ONLY people that benefit from NON-Union labor is big business CEO's.
Will FORD lower the cost of their cars??? When inner earth freezes over.


Really? The basis for the constant push to raise the minimum wage, is so the union can reap the benefits... by dictating in their contracts that the wage for job X is 3 times the minimum wage, and the wage for job Y is 4 times minimum wage.

And when the minimum wage goes up, the unions benefit.


Again, why are you so jealous? How much do you make per hour?

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: yeti
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Unions benefit all working Americans. Look at the fall of the middle class, it parallels the fall in union membership. Also look to the south where unions were never strong, they always had poor economic environments.


don't say that -- the union/big 3 haters will rag on you now.
I love these hater threads, because it exposes the haters' ignorance, and their ignorance is comical.

when these good paying jobs disappear, the govn't will have lost massive amounts of tax revenue. the rest of those employed will have to make up for this lost revenue. the union haters will be first to cry foul, when their taxes increase.they will blame the unions for that, as well.

a lot of it is jealousy. if I don't make a good wage/have a pension/have good benefits, no one else should.

one poster cherry picked a wage number, which another said was wrong (paraphrase).this might be from the same article, in Saturday's local paper.in '19, gm's lobor cost will be $2,350/ vehicle.ford, 2,600, and fca, 2,500.not a lot of money, relative to the cost of the car.so, pick which numbers that will fortify the hatred argument.

the point is, that the labor cost will ALWAYS be too high -- even if it was half of the above numbers.the profit is NEVER high enough.yet, the co.'s will never pass on savings from low labor cost areas. hence, the term -- race to the bottom.

the companies love the union haters, and the controversy that they start. it draws away attention from their own screw-ups/problems.

a couple of years back, the Chinese companies were crying that labor costs were becoming too high, and would start making products in lower wage countries.i'm not aware of any unions to blame for that.

keep up the hating posts, as they are hilarious. have a good day/night, all.
to clarify, I'm not a union employee, or fanboy of any make of car.i just view things objectively, and without wearing blinders.

we need to hear from 'prone, and engineer20.i'm sure that their opinions would be welcome.


Their anti-union comments would be funny if they weren't so pathetic.

 

[philipp10]

Really? The basis for the constant push to raise the minimum wage, is so the union can reap the benefits... by dictating in their contracts that the wage for job X is 3 times the minimum wage, and the wage for job Y is 4 times minimum wage.

And when the minimum wage goes up, the unions benefit. [/quote]

Again, why are you so jealous? How much do you make per hour? [/quote]

funny how your making it out to be a jealousy thing. To me that is not it. I make about 2x what you do. I honestly do not care what you make...as long as the companies you work for are not driven out of business or have to rely on government bailouts. I just like to see competitive Big 3 auto companies that are in the US. At the rate they are going, they will all be in Mexico just to get around the UAW. Avoiding the UAW has now been going on for oh, about 40 years with a steady decline in the UAW membership. Don't kid yourself with the the [censored] the union spouts...its so obvious only the ones benifiting cannot admit it.

 

[eddy21]

At the time, workers could count on about $2.25 per day, for which they worked nine-hour shifts. It was pretty good money in those days, but the toll was too much for many to bear. Ford’s turnover rate was very high. In 1913, Ford hired more than 52,000 men to keep a workforce of only 14,000. New workers required a costly break-in period, making matters worse for the company. Also, some men simply walked away from the line to quit and look for a job elsewhere. Then the line stopped and production of cars halted. The increased cost and delayed production kept Ford from selling his cars at the low price he wanted. Drastic measures were necessary if he was to keep up this production.

The turnover was high because of the mind numbing monotonous work. Hard work in the fields is one thing. stuck in a spot doing repetitious work is another.

 

[GaleHawkins]

It was interesting to learn the USA plants will be used to produce the new Bronco and Ranger line of trucks that are more profitable than the Focus line moved out.

I doubt the Bronco and Ranger will sell well into markets outside of the USA anyway.

 

[Mr Nice]

Silverado,

United Technologies which owns Carrier air conditioner is laying off 2100 folks and moving factory to Mexico. No doubt good paying union jobs with benefits costs a lot more than a $2 an hour Mexican worker.


http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016...-jobs/80181804/

 

[Mr Nice]

www.DailyJobCuts.com

Unemployment rate 4.9%

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: Mr Nice

www.DailyJobCuts.com

Unemployment rate 4.9%

That's the FAKE U2 number.

What is the U6 number right now, and you can
double that number as well, then you will have a good idea of the ACTUAL number of unemployed workers.

 

[tbm3fan]

Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Silverado,

United Technologies which owns Carrier air conditioner is laying off 2100 folks and moving factory to Mexico. No doubt good paying union jobs with benefits costs a lot more than a $2 an hour Mexican worker.


http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016...-jobs/80181804/



It was just business.

Reminds of when Tessio is taken away and asks Tom to tell Michael "it was only business, I always liked him" after which he is taken away to be executed. Those 1400 jobs were just executed.

 

[bbhero]

Is there any small wonder why many people on both sides of the spectrum believe the game is rigged here in this country?? Why are Trump and Bernie gaining so much traction?? These two men are hitting the same exact vein from different directions. They both have some very valid points being made here. This country is headed for the trash heap. And both sides have greatly been assisting this process for the past 50 years. It has been accelerating more so with time in the last 25 yrs. Unless very drastic changes are made this process will be completed. With the majority of people in this country destined for serfdom under the rule of a very vast and large government. Plus the leaders of both sides being insulated from their treaties, laws passed, and trade agreements. Good, bad or indifferent this serves the leaders of both sides ambitions for very different reasons. This country is on a bobsled to Hades with O.J Simpson at the brake controls.

 

[nthach]

Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
.I also blame stupid short sighted consumers who don't understand that what goes around, comes around.
That will keep some folks from buying the Chinese-made Buick crossover vehicle. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2015/12/04/buick-envision/76795170/

What car will be made by Ford in Mexico on this news? ................. I did hear the current Ford Focus/C-Max will be built in Mexico in 1.5 years from now, currently in Michigan, although Ford says they might use the plant for something else (??).

If anything, the Focus/Fiesta could be built there. Much how Toyota Canada will soon become Toyota's "Center of Excellence" for SUVs(the RAV4 and Lexus RX are built in their Woodstock plants, I wouldn't be surprised if the Lexus NX is made in Canada alongside the existing RAV4 line), and Corolla production is shipped to Mexico. Honda is building the Fit in Celaya, Mexico - Mazda is building the 2/3 in Mexico as well. Again, a small car that doesn't rake in the $$$ like an SUV or truck does.

 

[philipp10]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice

www.DailyJobCuts.com

Unemployment rate 4.9%

That's the FAKE U2 number.

What is the U6 number right now, and you can
double that number as well, then you will have a good idea of the ACTUAL number of unemployed workers.


typical drivel... the restaurants and entertainment venues in Minnesota are packed and there are help wanted signs all over. I cannot comment on the rest of the US but here it looks like very low unemployment.

 

[Silverado12]

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[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: bbhero
Is there any small wonder why many people on both sides of the spectrum believe the game is rigged here in this country?? Why are Trump and Bernie gaining so much traction?? These two men are hitting the same exact vein from different directions. They both have some very valid points being made here. This country is headed for the trash heap. And both sides have greatly been assisting this process for the past 50 years. It has been accelerating more so with time in the last 25 yrs. Unless very drastic changes are made this process will be completed. With the majority of people in this country destined for serfdom under the rule of a very vast and large government. Plus the leaders of both sides being insulated from their treaties, laws passed, and trade agreements. Good, bad or indifferent this serves the leaders of both sides ambitions for very different reasons. This country is on a bobsled to Hades with O.J Simpson at the brake controls.


Well said.

 

[Mr Nice]

Originally Posted By: tbm3fan
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Silverado,
United Technologies which owns Carrier air conditioner is laying off 2100 folks and moving factory to Mexico. No doubt good paying union jobs with benefits costs a lot more than a $2 an hour Mexican worker.

http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016...-jobs/80181804/

It was just business.

Reminds of when Tessio is taken away and asks Tom to tell Michael "it was only business, I always liked him" after which he is taken away to be executed. Those 1400 jobs were just executed.


2100 jobs will be lost, 1400 at one factory and 700 at another factory.

 

[Silverado12]

Wages are never low enough.

 

[CT8]

When the U.S has the epa standards government costs Social Security, SSI, numerous taxes those pesky EPA restrictions,Safety regulations etc, A third work,country and its wages make sense to move the factories.

 

[CT8]

When the U.S has the epa standards government costs Social Security, SSI, numerous taxes those pesky EPA restrictions,Safety regulations etc, A third work,country and its wages make sense to move the factories.