For you Civic gurus, need 2nd opinion

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Last week I had my camseal and crankseals replaced with new OEM ones at a shop. Now when they took the bottom timing cover off, they said the part of the cover was rubbing against the crank pulley. And on the cover it had some wear. Unfortunately, this was like 4pm in the day and we couldnt get a hold of another one cause have to wait 2 days for it and obviously the car couldnt sit on the shops hoist for 2 days.

Another thing was, the rubber lining/gasket that goes along the inner edge, part of it detached (I guess this is normal on these covers over age) and had oil cause thats where the oil from the camseal was going. So the shop, dried it, then crazy glued the rubber back along the edge of the cover and reinstalled it. I looked this up and from what i saw, its not uncommon for people to crazy glue back the rubber to the cover. I guess quite a few people have done it before.

Now i asked them if its ok and the glue wont melt from the heat and they said, it will be ok cause the glue was just for the time being before installing it. Once bolted, its not going anywhere.

And I asked about the cover rubbing and what will happen over time (cause obviously im not paying for another timing belt job just to change the cover) and they told me not to worry about it. They said, if anything, it will just put a small hole in the timing cover. But Ive been driving with the timing cover rubbing against the crank pulley for about 10 months now and it just had wear on the cover, no hole yet.

Normally when plastic and metal meat, the medal eats the plastic within days if not hours. Ive gone 10 months.

What do you think? Am I just over worrying for nothing? I hope so.

I just hope if a hole is eventually made through the bottom timing cover that the timing belt wont rub against the pulley. Friend said there should be enough clearance at the bottom of the cover, from the cover to the timing belt. And i could always use JB weld on the cover if a hole is made to cover it up.

Been thinking of calling the shop back again to ask the shop again where exactly on the cover is rubbing against the pulley and how serious of an issue this is long term. I try sticking a flashlight down there to see with the car running and its impossible. Might try from under the car maybe with the car jacked up.

heres a general pic of the area with the bottom cover on and as you see the top of the crank pulley aligns with the top of the bottoming timing cover.

timingbelt2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img846/6425/timingbelt2.jpg
 
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Yep, just ride it out. I always see them cut into the cover but it's usually never enough to get a hole completely through, although it happens sometimes.

The crank pulley has a rubber ring around that holds a metal ring. The rubber goes bad over time allowing the metal ring to run against the cover. It's not an issue.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Your over worrying about this.


I hope so!

Originally Posted By: gomes512
Yep, just ride it out. I always see them cut into the cover but it's usually never enough to get a hole completely through, although it happens sometimes.


You see this a lot on civics?

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The crank pulley has a rubber ring around that holds a metal ring. The rubber goes bad over time allowing the metal ring to run against the cover. It's not an issue.


Oh ok, always thought metal against plastic, would eat it within days and my biggest worry was that the pulley would start rubbing against the timing belt. Its a very tight space so I cant tell how much clearance there is from the timing belt to the cover.

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
ok why does this happen?


These cheap plastic covers on these cars are known for warping over time with age and heat. Just like the rubber gasket coming off too over time. Almost every time this cover is taken off a civic for a timing job, the rubber is peeling off.
 
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Keep in mind that this is a dust gasket and dust cover. It keeps dirt out, although in this case it retained oil and gathered dust.

The edge gasket only needs to be replaced if it breaks down so that plastic squeaks against metal, or compresses so much that the metal pulley wears through the cover.
 
Originally Posted By: gomes512
...The crank pulley has a rubber ring around that holds a metal ring. The rubber goes bad over time allowing the metal ring to run against the cover. It's not an issue.


If the elastomer has gone bad in the harmonic balancer it is an issue, particularly if the dampner ring has moved.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: gomes512
...The crank pulley has a rubber ring around that holds a metal ring. The rubber goes bad over time allowing the metal ring to run against the cover. It's not an issue.


If the elastomer has gone bad in the harmonic balancer it is an issue, particularly if the dampner ring has moved.


Oh no. Where is the elastomer?

I tried sticking a flashlight and i could see a bit down there on the bottom cover but not enough to see the rubbing up close.
 
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: gomes512
...The crank pulley has a rubber ring around that holds a metal ring. The rubber goes bad over time allowing the metal ring to run against the cover. It's not an issue.


If the elastomer has gone bad in the harmonic balancer it is an issue, particularly if the dampner ring has moved.


Oh no. Where is the elastomer?



When was the last time the blinker fuild was changed? Don't tell me its still original!
 
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
...Oh no. Where is the elastomer?


It is the "rubber ring" between the 2 pieces of the balancer.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
...Oh no. Where is the elastomer?


It is the "rubber ring" between the 2 pieces of the balancer.



So its right on the harmonic balancer? Shop had this off completely couple weeks ago when i was there, im sure they would have mentioned anything to me if the elastomer was bad. How do you tell if it is?
 
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
Your over worrying about this.


I hope so! Please tell me why im over worrying and the crank pulley wont start rubbing against the belt later if it makes a hole in the cover?
 
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Your over worrying about this.


I hope so! Please tell me why im over worrying and the crank pulley wont start rubbing against the belt later if it makes a hole in the cover?



isnt that exactly what he said "your over worrying about this"
does not get much clearer than this.
 
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Your over worrying about this.


I hope so! Please tell me why im over worrying and the crank pulley wont start rubbing against the belt later if it makes a hole in the cover?


Because the belt/pulley spacial relationship doesn't magically change b/c the timing cover is intact, gone or full of holes. Timing covers are not structural.

[edit] Do they have medical marijuana up there? I know in CA you can get a 'script for anxiety pretty easily...
 
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Your over worrying about this.


I hope so! Please tell me why im over worrying and the crank pulley wont start rubbing against the belt later if it makes a hole in the cover?



isnt that exactly what he said "your over worrying about this"
does not get much clearer than this.


I know but i just want to know WHY he thinks that. Everyone has a reason. Im just curious.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
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Because the belt/pulley spacial relationship doesn't magically change b/c the timing cover is intact, gone or full of holes. Timing covers are not structural.


So in other words, youre saying, even if a hole is made in the cover over time, there is more than enough clearance from the crank pulley to the timing belt? So no chance that the pulley rubs the belt?
 
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Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
even if a hole is made in the cover over time, there is more than enough clearance from the crank pulley to the timing belt? So no chance that the pulley rubs the belt?

It's quite normal for the plastic cover to warp over time and begin to rub on the pulley. No worries, even if you get big holes in the cover. Relax and ignore it.

Plus, what your mechanic did with the cover's gasket and the glue, that's OK too. Those gaskets fall off all the time, so you need to stick them in place long enough to get the cover on. Once it's on, the gasket won't fall off. Pain in the bippy.
 
Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: Carnoobie
even if a hole is made in the cover over time, there is more than enough clearance from the crank pulley to the timing belt? So no chance that the pulley rubs the belt?

It's quite normal for the plastic cover to warp over time and begin to rub on the pulley. No worries, even if you get big holes in the cover. Relax and ignore it.

Plus, what your mechanic did with the cover's gasket and the glue, that's OK too. Those gaskets fall off all the time, so you need to stick them in place long enough to get the cover on. Once it's on, the gasket won't fall off. Pain in the bippy.



Ok great thanks! I feel a lot better now.

If a hole is eventually made, wouldnt it be bad to have small dirt particles and stuff like snow get inside? Dont want the small particles getting inside and to the seals.
 
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