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CHICAGO -- Surging demand from the government's "cash for clunkers" program has helped lift Ford Motor Co. to its first monthly increase in two years, the company's top sales analyst said Sunday.

July sales results mark the first year-over-year gain for Ford since November 2007 and apparently the first uptick by any of the six biggest carmakers since last August, George Pipas said.

He declined to disclose a specific total before sales results are officially reported on Monday. Dearborn, Mich.-based Ford sold a total of 161,071 vehicles in July 2008, down 15 percent from a year earlier.

The increase further testifies to the successful reception of the government rebate program, which President Barack Obama signed into law June 24 as part of a broad $106 billion spending bill.

"We were having a good month -- and Ford's been having some good months lately -- but the (clunkers) program really put us over the top for sure," Pipas said in a telephone interview.

The government's Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS) was designed to get old, polluting vehicles off the road and scrapped while helping car dealers emerge from the recession. Owners of gas-guzzlers could receive rebates of $3,500 or $4,500 toward the purchase of a new fuel-efficient car. The program proved wildly popular and led to the sale of 250,000 new vehicles in just days.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said Sunday he expects the current $1 billion pool, which had been expected to last until November, to be exhausted by the end of this weekend. The House on Friday approved an additional $2 billion, shifting funds from a renewable energy loan program, and the Obama administration is pressing the Senate to go along before its summer vacation begins at week's end. If the Senate does not approve the additional funding, the progam will have to be suspended.

Improved sales at Ford and elsewhere may be another sign that the economy has either bottomed out or is nearing a bottom. The government reported Friday that the economy shrank at a pace of just 1 percent in the second quarter, better than analysts anticipated and much better than the 6.4 percent decline seen in the first three months of the year, which marked the steepest slide in nearly 30 years.

Pipas said the July sales increase is "some indication that consumers are getting their feet on the ground again. ... I think it indicates that maybe the worst is behind us, sales-wise."

The July sales also make it the ninth month in the last 10 that Ford has posted a gain in market share, he said.

Pipas said that is evidence of the success of the company's new products -- the Fusion and the Fusion hybrid, the Escape, the redesigned Focus, the Mercury Mariner and the Mercury Milan -- all of them among its most fuel-efficient vehicles.
 
The story in November or whenever the money runs out will be all manufactures post record setting losses.
 
You might be right but even though I dont like Ford products...they did not have there hand held out for Gov . money
 
nice to see those gas guzzlers headed for the scrap heap.
they should never have been made in the first place, and they
are an embarrassment for the human consciousness. but i think that the 18 mpg level is too high - better would be 15mpg - to basically just get rid of the behemoth, that is drinking our resource dry.
 
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
nice to see those gas guzzlers headed for the scrap heap.
they should never have been made in the first place, and they
are an embarrassment for the human consciousness. but i think that the 18 mpg level is too high - better would be 15mpg - to basically just get rid of the behemoth, that is drinking our resource dry.


What are you going to put five children in? A Prius?
 
Originally Posted By: Captain Klink
nice to see those gas guzzlers headed for the scrap heap.
they should never have been made in the first place


Originally Posted By: tig1
What are you going to put five children in? A Prius?


Yea, not everyone needs those "gas guzzlers" but they do have their purpose.

Some people actually do need to pull over 10,000 lbs. comfortably or haul a lot of people/cargo.
 
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
nice to see those gas guzzlers headed for the scrap heap.
they should never have been made in the first place, and they
are an embarrassment for the human consciousness.


The big 3 just built what the American (and Canadian) customers wanted. If they hadn't, somebody else would have, plain and simple. You can't make excuses for something that happened 40-50 years ago when gas was cheap and the effects of tetra ethy lead was not yet fully know. The cars from the 70, 80's and 90's that got rotten gas mileage were partially the fault of a government agency that mandated cleaner exhaust emissions and the technology wasn't yet there to do it properly or efficiently. They burned a lot of extra gas just so the exhaust would be clean.

I just changed oil on my '71 Mercury Cougar a few minutes ago. The gas mileage never has been over 10 mpg and the car just loves a good 93 octane fill-up. This car is now lucky to rack up 200 miles per year. If you think this car is an embarrassment in any way, shape or form, you should get behind the wheel of something like this and do a little driving.
 
If anything they should have raised the MPG level. Then we'd be getting a better return for our "investment". But most of the money would be going overseas...

Big trucks and SUV's have their place as tow vehicles that also cart the family to use the boat/camper/horses or for construction workers to access sites not accessible by regular car. Not for getting from your suburban house downtown to your office.

Some people do have mobility issues that make a higher vehicle better. Last I knew, however, there were big cars and minivans that get city mileage equal to what massive SUV's get on the highway.

Good for Ford! Let's see if Mulally (?) can keep up the turnaround!
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Big trucks and SUV's have their place as tow vehicles that also cart the family to use the boat/camper/horses or for construction workers to access sites not accessible by regular car. Not for getting from your suburban house downtown to your office.


The thing is, sometimes people need a vehicle that does double duty. A one ton truck can be your tow rig and your commuter, but a Prius could never take the place of the one ton.
 
Originally Posted By: hone eagle

So the CFC only applied to Ford?


No, all new car dealers and manufactures to include import brands, were eligible.
 
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Originally Posted By: hone eagle
Originally Posted By: mikered30
I am happy for Ford, but these are artificially inflated sales.

So the CFC only applied to Ford?


Sorry, should have been more clear, the C4C is for imports and domestics. All manufacture sales will spike for August and free fall when the program is over.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
nice to see those gas guzzlers headed for the scrap heap.
they should never have been made in the first place, and they
are an embarrassment for the human consciousness. but i think that the 18 mpg level is too high - better would be 15mpg - to basically just get rid of the behemoth, that is drinking our resource dry.


What are you going to put five children in? A Prius?


+1
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi

Big trucks and SUV's have their place .... Not for getting from your suburban house downtown to your office.



Your hindsight is perfect. Where were you to raise the alarm 20 or more years ago when Americans decided they no longer wanted to drive cars and instead fell in love with those big trucks and SUVs?
 
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