For all you engine flushers!
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They must of used a really strong solvent to cause that motor to break down and it mustve been really sludged. I recently did a engine flush on a customer altima due the oil cap was caked and I pulled the dipstick and it looks like it was dipped in a bucket of tar. I showed him and he made the decision to flush it. His car runs a lot better now or maybe it was the edge we put in hahaha. Its been three weeks and uhh no motor replacement. Some flushes are bad some are really helpful.
whatever happened to honest service? If I was dumb, and my engine blew, I would remove the camshaft and beat him with it.
Typical owner abuse, then go blame someone else.
Because the owners were aware of their lack of maintenance, they were easily conned into a flush.
But, without seeing the guts of the failed engine or the maintenance history, can't even blame the flush!
Poor jippylubes still trying to make an easy buck.
Because the owners were aware of their lack of maintenance, they were easily conned into a flush.
But, without seeing the guts of the failed engine or the maintenance history, can't even blame the flush!
Poor jippylubes still trying to make an easy buck.
I'll be flushing my engine in about 30 minutes.
There is little risk if you flush an engine correctly. For an engine with HEAVY sludge, I'd monitor the oil pressure carefully afterwards and/or drop the pan and check the pick-up tube screen for debris.
That's one of the reasons I like using MMO in these circumstances. In my experience, it's a bit more gentle and you don't get "chunks" of sludge breaking off and clogging up the works. It's more of a "melting" away effect with most of the [censored] remaining suspended in the oil or trapped by the filter.
Best,
That's one of the reasons I like using MMO in these circumstances. In my experience, it's a bit more gentle and you don't get "chunks" of sludge breaking off and clogging up the works. It's more of a "melting" away effect with most of the [censored] remaining suspended in the oil or trapped by the filter.
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It would be nice to know how this was resolved, Why did their engines Die? Are the Iffy Lubes held liable?
I can see the solvent (perhaps) causing premature wear, But Killing an engine the next day!??
It's probably just as they said: very dirty engines being ploughed with a super-strong solvent that loosened up big chunks of heavy sludge that plugged up the smaller oil passages which starved the engine of oil pressure, and kaboom.
It would be nice to know how this was resolved, Why did their engines Die? Are the Iffy Lubes held liable?
I can see the solvent (perhaps) causing premature wear, But Killing an engine the next day!??
It's probably just as they said: very dirty engines being ploughed with a super-strong solvent that loosened up big chunks of heavy sludge that plugged up the smaller oil passages which starved the engine of oil pressure, and kaboom.
I guess the danger involves the need to flush to begin with.
If an engine has had appropriate change intervals with the appropriate oil through its life, it will not sludge.
It may be that some engines really need frequent changes with expensive oil, but these are pretty well known, and farily rare.
Regardless, with proper maintenance, sludge will not be an issue.
Without proper maintenance, a flush is probably asking for trouble, and had there been proper maintenance, there would be no need for the flush
If an engine has had appropriate change intervals with the appropriate oil through its life, it will not sludge.
It may be that some engines really need frequent changes with expensive oil, but these are pretty well known, and farily rare.
Regardless, with proper maintenance, sludge will not be an issue.
Without proper maintenance, a flush is probably asking for trouble, and had there been proper maintenance, there would be no need for the flush
About the only flushes I would consider are Lubegard Engine Flush (it is non-solvent) and Amsoil. I would trust Amsoil before I trusted a lot of other brands of engine flush.
But I agree with what you say. If a car has been nelgected (and whose fault is that unless the car was bought used?) a flush might be worse than leaving it alone. And if a car has been properly maintained it should not need a flush. But there is the example of very high mileage cars and trucks to take into consideration.
But I agree with what you say. If a car has been nelgected (and whose fault is that unless the car was bought used?) a flush might be worse than leaving it alone. And if a car has been properly maintained it should not need a flush. But there is the example of very high mileage cars and trucks to take into consideration.
I've never had an engine that was bad enough to need a flush. What happens to the sludge that gets flushed loose? I've seen sludge that seemed pretty gritty. Wouldn't it get sucked through the pick up screen and run through the oil pump before going to the filter.
Jiffy Lube got caught red handed, there is no excuse for lying to customers like that, neglected engines or not.
Jiffy Lube got caught red handed, there is no excuse for lying to customers like that, neglected engines or not.
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Pretty much I feel that engine flushes might be a good idea only for high mileage cars and trucks. Of course a used car that was neglected by previous owners could have a sludgy engine. But whenever I checked out a used car I made sure to check the oil. If it was tar black (sometimes the used car dealers do not even change the oil) or if the dipstick showed evidence of serious sludge I would not buy that used car.
I saw a good looking used car one time that looked worth consideration. I checked the oil and it looked like the tar you would use on your roof. The worthless used car company had not even changed the oil. And I am flat out serious-the oil on the dipstick looked like TAR! I said no deal on that car. Remember, I am not saying that the oil just looked black. It looked like tar.
On a very high mileage vehicle I might be willing to use MMO for 400 miles before an oil change or something like that. What does a person have to lose? The car is reaching the end of the line anyway.
I am not totally like Johnny but I agree with him more and more everyday. Just use good quality oil of the correct viscosity and reasonable OCIs. Some oils like Pennzoil Platinum and Mobil 1 HM are supposed to have cleaning qualities. I just might give that Mobil 1 HM a trial on my next oil change. Especially if the price for a five quart jug is right at Wal-Mart.
Of course, there have been a few cars and trucks that supposedly were 'sludgemonsters,' like certain Toyota cars and vans with certain engines and Dodge Durangos. And Saturns with the orginial Saturn engine were supposed to have sludge problems around the rings. Maybe MMO would be good for the older Saturns in the fuel.
I am going to wait and see about MMO in the oil. There are a lot of discussions about MMO here now and I will see how the results look. But just using a good cleaning oil seems like a safer idea to me right now. The motor oil without question will work in the engine and you have to change the oil anyway. And if the oil, maybe after four or so OCIs, cleans the engine up well enough that is a solid extra benefit.
I can see using Regane in the fuel twice a year.
I saw a good looking used car one time that looked worth consideration. I checked the oil and it looked like the tar you would use on your roof. The worthless used car company had not even changed the oil. And I am flat out serious-the oil on the dipstick looked like TAR! I said no deal on that car. Remember, I am not saying that the oil just looked black. It looked like tar.
On a very high mileage vehicle I might be willing to use MMO for 400 miles before an oil change or something like that. What does a person have to lose? The car is reaching the end of the line anyway.
I am not totally like Johnny but I agree with him more and more everyday. Just use good quality oil of the correct viscosity and reasonable OCIs. Some oils like Pennzoil Platinum and Mobil 1 HM are supposed to have cleaning qualities. I just might give that Mobil 1 HM a trial on my next oil change. Especially if the price for a five quart jug is right at Wal-Mart.
Of course, there have been a few cars and trucks that supposedly were 'sludgemonsters,' like certain Toyota cars and vans with certain engines and Dodge Durangos. And Saturns with the orginial Saturn engine were supposed to have sludge problems around the rings. Maybe MMO would be good for the older Saturns in the fuel.
I am going to wait and see about MMO in the oil. There are a lot of discussions about MMO here now and I will see how the results look. But just using a good cleaning oil seems like a safer idea to me right now. The motor oil without question will work in the engine and you have to change the oil anyway. And if the oil, maybe after four or so OCIs, cleans the engine up well enough that is a solid extra benefit.
I can see using Regane in the fuel twice a year.
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