flipping vehicles for profit

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Along with cost of repairs, (including your time), don't forget to factor in the cost of tax, tag, title transfer and insurance.

To use some simple numbers for an example, let's say you buy "X" car for 1,000 dollars and it needs 300 dollars of repairs. You buy it thinking you can repair it and sell it for 2,000 dollars and make a tidy profit of 700 bucks.

However, here in Florida, tax, tag and title transfer will run you around 400 dollars, not to mention throwing insurance on the vehicle for however long you're going to have it. That knocks you down to a profit of 300 bucks - still not bad, but not what you might have thought you would make.

Additionally, what are the laws concerning running an auto repair business in your neighborhood? It only takes one grouchy neighbor to turn you into code enforcement to throw a kink into your budding business. Here in these parts, a vehicle without a tag draws code enforcement attention like kids to a candy counter.

Like others have said, there are ways around these things, but you have to be a little on the sneaky side and sometimes the sneaky side can get you into trouble.

One more suggestion - stick to one kind of car. Buy something that is common, (i.e. Ford Taurus, Oldsmobile Cutlass, etc). That way you learn all the ins and outs of said vehicle and from the experience repairing others, you'll learn the common problems of that make and model and be able to fix them with relative ease because you've "been down that road before."
 
I have watched few Wheeler Dealer episodes. If you were to put reasonable value to the time put by the blowhard host and his talented mechanic Edd China, on every single transaction, they have *lost* money. That business model survives because of the TV show. Without it, neither would be able to put food on the table.

If you disagree, please provide well-reasoned counter argument.
 
I am not that familiar with Wheeler Dealers but don't they take a pretty average car and bring it up to exceptional? That would be a slower sale, needing the "right buyer" etc vs taking a shabby beater and bringing it to passability.

I wonder what Wheeler Dealer's angle is, if it is indeed the TV/ merchandising rights, if it's the exposure bringing them off-camera restoration work, etc. A regular car dealer makes money on financing and service-- WD's buyers might be loaded enough to write checks but then again maybe not.

Bringing a $400 car up to $2000 is a fairly safe gamble, unless you're GearHeadTool.

Chris should get a tow dolly; they're only a few hundred bucks used and his pickup should surely pull anything he could buy.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino

Stick to what sells-- boring commuter sedans, work trucks. If you can predict a gas price crunch stock up on 90s saturns.
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Yep + remember, you don't HAVE to fix/replace every little thing.

If you're good at buffing & waxing, that'll help. A lot.
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Its a tough way to make a buck, especially now since used car prices are so high.

I know a couple of used car dealers who say the buy here pay here lots are killing their business. These guys pay retail at the dealer auction and sell and repo the car a few times to morons with no credit.
 
I have decent luck flipping cars. It isn't something I do a lot of but I do keep an eye on craigslist and here about cars for sale sometimes and good deals do come along. Then you can fix a few things and clean it up and make a few bucks. I do it more as a hobby than a supplement to my income and that keeps the stress level low and if there isn't anything great for sale, then I just wait.
 
i dont have any neighbors so thats a non issue. lawnmowers wont work as lawns are rare here. the cities will pay to install water friendly yards and the few lawns are only 150 sq ft or so.

bikes are hard to ride in sand lol. atv's and dirt bikes are popular though. plus i grew up riding them. i cant afford cars. due to both smog problems and huge registration back fees. back fees can be in the thousands! but i can see already that flipping for a profit is going to be a real pain.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Don't put words in my mouth, you don't know me or my buddy.

If it's old studebakers or ten-year old tauruses, if you've flipped a couple you know what to look for when buying, and how to shine a creampuff so it stands out from the crowd.


In the many many cars my son and I have bought and sold I cannot recall a single one where we lost money.

The facts are very simple here. Buy low, sweat equity, and sell higher. IT DOES WORK!

And shooting down someone's dream on pure speculation and ZERO experience is not very nice, Pops...
 
It is not easy to make good money doing this here. From what I remember other than the tail pipe smog (unless you did it within 90 days of a previous transaction or unless your car is before 1975), you have to pay sales tax even on used car purchase and sales, so not having a dealer license would ruin your profit.

The ones that really make money this way are gas station shops that keep their mechanics occupied by buying cars that need work, as well as having a smog shop next door under a different business license but the same ownership. They make money by reducing idle labor.
 
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Don't put words in my mouth, you don't know me or my buddy.

And shooting down someone's dream on pure speculation and ZERO experience is not very nice, Pops...

You guys should know him already. Just forget about it and go on with your normal activities, don't let him get into your brain.
 
Some very good points made in this thread. Mainly, to be (or to know someone who is) able to diagnose and repair a wide variety of things, as well as space to do the repairs and store the vehicles.

I would have to say that before my current job, each year I made at least half my income from selling cars. I did pony up the cash for a dealer license and it was well worth it. My niche was purchasing surplus government/law enforcement vehicles and reselling taxi and livery companies. I have worked in LE my whole life, driven and diagnosed things with a variety of LE vehicles, so I know most of them quite well. Surplus Crown Vics, Chargers, etc. cost almost nothing to buy at auction, and will sell for at least ten times what I pay for them. Even when taking into account all of what might appear to be hidden costs (time to attend the auction, time to work on the car, gas, wear and tear on my truck and trailer, meals, paying a friend to help me out, etc etc etc), I still come out way ahead after selling just one car.

Auction values vary, but if you will settle for police fleet vehicles, you can bring $2000 cash to an auction and walk out with roughly 8 to 12 vehicles. At least half should be nearly read to "flip" right off the bat, with perhaps one being a dud to keep for parts. But it's those that need work and don't sell quickly that will become bothersome, as space becomes an issue. Caveat emptor! I've ended up with 27 cars stored on a relative's property before he got fed up and I had to sell them quickly.

My best score was circa 2001, I bought a fully-equipped 96 Bronco for $450. Back then, that was considered a lot for an auction vehicle, but I had an inside source that told me the condition of the vehicle ahead of time, so I knew it was good. The working strobe lightbar alone got me around $1000 on eBay, the radios, siren, and center console about another $2000, and then I repainted the vehicle and sold it for $7000.
 
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Its a tough way to make a buck, especially now since used car prices are so high.

I know a couple of used car dealers who say the buy here pay here lots are killing their business. These guys pay retail at the dealer auction and sell and repo the car a few times to morons with no credit.






Yeah, this! I flipped a lot of cars back in the mid to late 90's, early 2000's. I can't make it work anymore because I can't find quality cars at a low enough price point. Even lots of private owner's want top dollar plus 10%.
 
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