I ran my first Fleetguard (LF697) on my motorhome. After 4400 miles I found the antidrainback valve leaks. Not a problem as the filter mounts about 30 degrees downward. I thought it might be a fluke or a piece of crud in the valve, though on dissassembly the valve did not appear as well made as others, like Purolator. It did not have the support ribs. Anyway, ran the next LF697 on the F150 which mounts sideways, figuring if it fails I can pull it and put a Purolator on. Well, after about 700 miles on cold start it now takes several seconds for oil pressure to register (real mechanical gauge). This has happened twice. So I guess I better pull it and go back to Wix, Purolator, Motorcraft filters.
Fleetguard--anybody have leaky antidrainback on these?
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OK just pulled the filter. Oil was warm from a few hours ago. Thumbed the center hole and turned it upside down and shook it. Held it upside down for a couple minutes. Nothing. No leak. I don't get why the pressure took so long to come up. Usually it is nearly instant, except in winter. And it is 60 degrees at night here now. Well I will just run it for a few days and see what happens. Maybe something else going on.
I am running both of my Ford trucks using the Motorcraft Full Flow. If I was not using a Bypass on each vehicle, I would be running the Fleetguard Full Flow filters. Top quality filters in my opinion.
Was it full of oil and just didn't leak out or that no oil came out because it had no oil in it because it already "leaked" past the ADBV. I had an 1989 F150 with the same 4.9 L6 and it was very sensitive to the oil filter used. Of course Fram had the absolute worst ADBV for me and it seemed that the Motorcraft FL-1A worked the best for me and gave the quickest start up oil pressure and quietest start ups.
Whimsey
59 Vetteman: Yes I really like the Fleetguard. Great flow rate. When I prefill them the oil soaks right through the media like water, not like the Purolator, Motorcraft, Wix where I have to roll the filter on an angle to get it to soak through. I'm glad it wasn't the valve as I want to keep using these filters.
Whimsey: The filter was nealy full when I took it off. A few ounces dripped into the pan and when held upright the oil was within an inch or so of the top. (I ran Frams almost all the time on my '84 F150 for 175,000 miles. Don't recall any problems.)
Guess I just jumped to a false conclusion on the Fleetguard after the motorhome experience. That one leaked like a seive.
The filter may not be the culprit: One morning last summer around 102,000 miles the truck had no oil pressure on startup (Ford's idiot dash gauge) and I did not see oil come up into the valve cover either. Motorcraft filter antidrainback was fine, reamed the pump outlet to the filter and primed it and then pressure came right up. Engine also had a half sludged pickup screen at 68,000 miles. First 58,000 miles oil change history is unknown.
[ June 13, 2004, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: TallPaul ]
Whimsey: The filter was nealy full when I took it off. A few ounces dripped into the pan and when held upright the oil was within an inch or so of the top. (I ran Frams almost all the time on my '84 F150 for 175,000 miles. Don't recall any problems.)
Guess I just jumped to a false conclusion on the Fleetguard after the motorhome experience. That one leaked like a seive.
The filter may not be the culprit: One morning last summer around 102,000 miles the truck had no oil pressure on startup (Ford's idiot dash gauge) and I did not see oil come up into the valve cover either. Motorcraft filter antidrainback was fine, reamed the pump outlet to the filter and primed it and then pressure came right up. Engine also had a half sludged pickup screen at 68,000 miles. First 58,000 miles oil change history is unknown.
[ June 13, 2004, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: TallPaul ]
Maybe the valve "warps" when it gets cold?
To really duplicate a cold start up, you'd have to pull the filter AFTER the vehicle had sat it's "normal" amount of time that caused the "dry" start up in question.
Good point. No problem this morning, but if it happens again I will check it after it sits overnight.
Now that I think about it, with the way the oil readily permeates the Fleetguard media on prefilling, what is to stop the oil from draining down through the center hole, leaving only the bottom of the horizontally mounted filter with oil? Maybe that's what is happening.
Seems when I jacked up the truck on the left to get the last couple ounces of transmission fluid in (just changed it) that the next start took a couple seconds for oil pressure to come up. Kinda like the filter was pointing slightly downward.
In any case, if the filter is draining back I am better off not running the extra large filter as it just takes longer to refill. I wonder if there is a kit to mount the filter at a better angle on these engines?
Then you're lucky. I had a 1980 F-100 with the 4.9 L6 with the 1 bbl Carter carb. I also used Fram oil filters on that truck. I don't recall it making the same dry start up noise as in my 1989 truck. Perhaps because with the carb in the 1980 truck it took longer to start than with the fuel injection in the 1989 truck
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