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Condo and apartment charging is a big thing around here. More and more places are installing chargers.
First Half California all-electric EV sales update
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Condo and apartment charging is a big thing around here. More and more places are installing chargers.
You live in a very special part of the world. Trust me.
I am looking at Newly built apartments for my daughter. There in a nice neighborhood and way more than she can afford - Daddy pays. No where to plug in anywhere. There are chargers at the mall across the street I think?
I know of a few people who do not charge at home, but they are pretty unique use cases. If I could not charge at home I would not own an EV.
And yes, there are lotsa Superchargers in Silicon Valley; go out of the area and the number goes way down.
I read this morning that Telsa sales are down 17% in California. Sales are off more than Mercedes sales for example, but some car sales are down more as well.
Article:
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/07/19/tesla-sales-drop-17-in-california/
Tesla also announced a price increase on the Model 3 and Y I think.
It also doesn't help that Elon announced he's moving his companies out of California. That's not going to help sales of Tesla cars in CA.
Also read that Rivian sales are increasing in CA.
Article:
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/07/19/tesla-sales-drop-17-in-california/
Tesla also announced a price increase on the Model 3 and Y I think.
It also doesn't help that Elon announced he's moving his companies out of California. That's not going to help sales of Tesla cars in CA.
Also read that Rivian sales are increasing in CA.
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It’s not like ICE cars aren’t still available. No one says you have to buy an EV. Buy the car that fits your needs. Emissions and CAFE standards are nudging towards EVs to pad the fleet numbers, but by no means is that a stop sale on ICE vehicles and anyone that suggests otherwise is just making a made up political argument.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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I really think one day we will all be in for a big surprise when Toyota pops up from seemingly out of no where with an alternative fuel car and truck that will make folks forget all about the EV craze and eventually (over time) the ICE vehicles will not look so good to even us die hards after a while. But I wont hold my breath as these things take lots of time and big time $$$$$...... As far as I know Toyota does not pan handle to governments and does and pays for their own R&D. What I like too about them is they do not jump the gun or put the cart before the horse.
Honestly? (NO POLITICS)
I understand what you are saying but this is what the majority of people want and vote for.
The people vote for the mandates and everything associated with CA or any other free place in the world. Majority rules as much as we complain.
That issue is not confined to California. California gets what it wants, including implementing its dogma on those who live in the other 49.
Scott
Almost the reason why CA has so many problems? Lack of mass transit?
Example, Texas has 30million people and only 7.8 million cars \
CA with almost 39 million and 14.2 million cars
New York 19.5 million people and 3.1 million cars
... cars totals are registrations as of 2021
Source - https://www.usnews.com/news/healthi.../cities-with-the-worst-air-quality-in-the-u-s
Dont forget all this stuff travels from west to east
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Your post about California and fast passes seems to be more concerned with finding a label to be angry about instead of considering why these perks are afforded to EVs. The idea even if it may be flawed is to incentivize EVs to lower tailpipe emissions and smog. Hybrids had this perk for many years for similar reasons. Also how many thousands is $$$$$? Most of the EVs I see here aren't some luxury nameplate and are definitely cheaper than the usual Cadillac or Lincoln on the roads here. I'm sure California is different, but last I heard the Model 3 was referred to as the California Camry and in many cases holds a similar price tag depending on trim.
It doesn't take a million dollar income to buy a $40k car. To be honest as many $50k+ vehicles as I see on the road here knowing the median income(it's less than $50k here) it makes me wonder how all of these vehicles sell in general. It seems being EV is more of a point of contention than what the cost of it was, not to mention even when price is brought into the scenario and it's similar, the EV is labeled a toy by many. Language has a wonderful way of helping assess blame and rile up the preferred demographic.
Torrid, why is it that when people have views counter to yours you think they're angry. I'm known to be a pretty chill guy with all those who know me.
Just to be clear with my opinion, I believe in a free market economy. With respect to EVs, the California governor doesn't share that view.
I live in a semi-rural area. It's an 11 mile round trip for me to get to a grocery store. Our 253K mile old Honda Element is perfect for that. My wife and I enjoy making long road trips, sometimes driving 600 miles per day to get to where we want to be, places like Zion NP and such. In fact, we are in late stage planning for an even more incredible roadtrip - a next summer ROUNDTRIP roadtrip to Alaska via the Alcan highway. EVs need not apply.
Lastly, I think hybrids are the ideal one size fits all solution. A hybrid will likely be my next new car purchase. Don't laugh, I think the new Prius is kind of sexy. But we know from a previous thread the the EV zealots start getting foaming at the mouth angry with any "compromise" that runs counter to their dogma; things like PHEV.
Don't go making so many assumptions @Torrid,
Scott
Edit: By the way, our four car fleet has an average age of 13 1/2 years with an average mileage of 140K. All are kept in impeccable condition, mechanical and otherwise. None are trucks or "gas guzzlers". The worst gas mileage in our fleet is our Element. Incredible, eh? In all candor I think I'm treating the planet quite well.
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The only problems to me with EVs are taxpayers paying up to $11,000 for each EV vehicle made and sold in the USA.
Free country and free for all of us to feel what we feel, also free to vote the way we see fit. Majority rules.
I could care less about CO2 and air pollution most all our states on the mid to southern east coast are in far better shape than the west and not needed here. EV is optional for those who want it, I should not have to pay them to buy one.
@Torrid @slo town
Free country and free for all of us to feel what we feel, also free to vote the way we see fit. Majority rules.
I could care less about CO2 and air pollution most all our states on the mid to southern east coast are in far better shape than the west and not needed here. EV is optional for those who want it, I should not have to pay them to buy one.
@Torrid @slo town
I agree. Oh and forgive me for repeating myself for the hundredth time. I'm hoping for big change later this year.
It's the labels. Seems more about the jab than the issue at hand.
I don't think there's a one size fits all solution in powertrain or size. I think it's a complete failure of the market to think any one thing will get us there. A farmer isn't going to fair well with a Model 3 and I can't get a 2500 HD pickup in my garage no matter what it's powered by. I'd rather bang my head on the wall than try to tow a heavy trailer long distance in an EV.
The new Prius does look nice. I have a different gripe about it than the PHEV approach. I'm all for it if they'd just make a performance one that leans into the nature of an ICE powertrain. A manual GR Corolla with a hybrid push to pass system would be badass. I would nearly kill for a properly implemented one with this type of hybrid supercar approach. Maybe I'm different than most when it comes to PHEVs not going far enough. I'm in that weird, narrow enthusiast camp though and regular anything rarely appeals to me.
We did consider a hybrid, but it didn't solve the problem we were targeting. It wasn't fuel economy. It was short trip engine mechanical wear and tear for us and I couldn't find a scenario where we'd benefit from a PHEV since we'd mostly plug in at home, but even our usual round trip Costco run would require using gas. Either we were going to keep pumping fuel into the oil or it never fires up and now we're towing around an ICE powerplant that gets used once a month. For the miles you're talking about using it for, that would likely change what we were looking for in a family vehicle.
I didn't go into a Tesla purchase planning on buying a Tesla. Heck I didn't even consider an EV at first. It was my wife's vehicle and her preference was the Camry Hybrid until we started driving cars and weighing options. The first EV we drove in this search was the VW ID.4 and it became the instant winner just because Musk wasn't involved.
Actually driving the car completely changed that.I get what's annoying about California's approach, but I can't see getting upset about what they do. California has done California as long as I've been alive and longer. I also don't live in California so I don't have a dog in the fight to be able vote one way or another in their matters. It's one of those things I've written off as outside of my control. They can ban ICE all they want, I won't be able to say otherwise from Wisconsin. The only thing that'll do is drive car companies that want to sell there to make an EV to sell there. I don't think for a second that kills ICE for the rest of us. We're a big enough country it might as well be 7 different countries and expecting everyone to be ok with only one solution is never going to happen. All our wants and needs are wildly different based on preference and where we're located. The labels and talking points just turn into an instant "I'm out" for me. I love talking with people. I genuinely enjoy the insight that can be gained by another walk of life if ideology and talking points are just put aside and nothing interests me more than cars in general.
Sorry for the long winded reply, I do appreciate the honest answer.
You won't get a disagreement from me there. I didn't back out when they cut the tax credit before I picked up the car. I didn't bank on getting a credit to buy the car. At the time it was still claiming it against your tax burden at tax time. That wasn't going to affect initial purchase and payment up front. A lot did back out then. I still wonder how much of that was price competition making other options look more appealing, waiting until the tax credit came back, or if some were spending more than they could comfortably afford up front banking on righting the ship at tax time.
Sadly, the people in your state don’t feel the sameI agree. Oh and forgive me for repeating myself for the hundredth time. I'm hoping for big change later this year.
You mean like some fairy dust alternative fuel? Just kidding, but this post is a little lacking in feasibility.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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One can always dream. Of course we all know that no matter what they come out with , us lowly consumers will NOT catch any kind of fuel or vehicle use tax breaks.... EVER. They NEED those dollars even if they have not invented the next scheme to spend them on!
AG, @slo town was reminding me that there is a lot of prosperity here and a lot of willingness to try something new.
Silicon Valley, and even more so the Town of Los Gatos, is a pretty unique place.
Come here some day; I think I owe you lunch and a downhill roller coaster ride.