First Brands news?

[ZeeOSix]

Nope, it will end up with 1 micron @ 99.9% efficiency, no cost-saving cardboard, silicone valve material, heavy-wall can, and so on .... and they'll cost $72/each. But hey, "it's cheap insurance", right ? Cheaper than an engine !

And make the dP vs flow only 3 PSI at 10 GPM with 12 cSt oil viscosity, lol.

 

[Hall]

They have one in Ohio, but not Perrysburg. It's in Greenville (between Dayton OH and Indianapolis, not too far from I-70). Well, there could be one in Perrysburg.... I don't know.

The Fram plant in Greenville has notified the state of Ohio (because of "WARN" laws) that they are closing the plant there and 300+ people will be laid off. It refers to (4) plants total in Ohio. There's one in Bowling Green OH (not KY) and that may be what was referred to as Perrysburg as they're pretty close to each other (sorta).

 

[Pablo]

Hang the owner and anyone who knew and didn’t speak up

Death penalty.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Seen this sort of thing a few times. Someone folds and leaves a bunch of manufacturers in a lurch.

Another good reason to have a filter stash. I would imagine the filter manufacturers run a pretty tight ship on low margin. I wonder who might have extra capacity?

 

[Pablo]

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Post in thread 'Amsoil Oil Filter Update'

Mar 2, 2026

I know I've said it before, but I'm telling ya, customers that were with First Brands are now going to be talking to Premium Guard! No product buyer of those companies is going to ignore that good quality we keep seeing when they're cut apart.

I should have taken photos, just changed the oil in the '19 Express today, the $2.50 AMZN TL12222 with Service Pro Dexos full syn 5W30 held up great, some carbon in the bottom of the can, basically no waves, nitrile ADBV still flexible, 7100 miles/~4.5 months, mostly highway, but some good old 'Nati redline interstate merges too! And that's...

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[JHZR2]

Its such a shame too as I bought all of their different sizes and no other locking pliers have come even CLOSE to the quality these have. The teeth grip onto anything and don't dull out easily.

But look how many people want to make excuses for buying harbor freight tools on here, which generally are offshored by virtue of the very name… but even if legacy names where the products were offshored in the interest of margin over quality or support for the homeland and community. Now multiply that across the USA. It’s a lot of market undermining their own neighbors who lose these jobs, and someday their sons and daughters in engagements with adversaries like China who we love to give money to for cheap junk.

And unfortunately it’s past a point of having real opportunities for alternatives anymore.

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

But look how many people want to make excuses for buying harbor freight tools on here, which generally are offshored by virtue of the very name… but even if legacy names where the products were offshored in the interest of margin over quality or support for the homeland and community. Now multiply that across the USA. It’s a lot of market undermining their own neighbors who lose these jobs, and someday their sons and daughters in engagements with adversaries like China who we love to give money to for cheap junk.

And unfortunately it’s past a point of having real opportunities for alternatives anymore.

I shop at harbor freight but often dont buy anything. I like to check the "compare to" item and often prefer it, even if it costs a little more.

 

[Fair enough]

Hang the owner and anyone who knew and didn’t speak up

Death penalty.

There has to be matching laws to get what you want, which seems a bit extreme to me, but there aren’t any.

 

[Pablo]

There has to be matching laws to get what you want, which seems a bit extreme to me, but there aren’t any.

OK maybe not death penalty, but the number of lives impacted from their illegal, immoral, terrible, etc behavior should require some equivalent payback.

Not sure it's a "get what you want" thing, but that does describe the principle of deterrence in an interesting way!

These clowns always think they can get away with it............but some are still doing time.

 

[Hootbro]

OK maybe not death penalty, but the number of lives impacted from their illegal, immoral, terrible, etc behavior should require some equivalent payback.

Not sure it's a "get what you want" thing, but that does describe the principle of deterrence in an interesting way!

These clowns always think they can get away with it............but some are still doing time.

To get what you want, you would have to tie a right to employment to a employers right to your labor.

 

[Pablo]

To get what you want, you would have to tie a right to employment to a employers right to your labor.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Not a right, and I get what you are saying. But if I steal from said company I would expect a negative.

 

[Hootbro]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Not a right, and I get what you are saying. But if I steal from said company I would expect a negative.

The negative would be whatever the weight of the law is to bring upon that.

This will come off as cold and heartless but that is what business is when it is stripped to the core. First Brands mismanagement and any alleged theft from it's executives will answer to their shareholders, lenders and whatever legal action from the Feds is pressed against them. There is no extra quantifier to add to that because they failed to keep people employed is the point I am trying to make.

I agree with you 100% on the immorality aspect of it when it comes to the employees impact, just that is where what is legal and what is moral is not always intertwined with a correlated expected outcome of justice.

 

[ZeeOSix]

OK maybe not death penalty, but the number of lives impacted from their illegal, immoral, terrible, etc behavior should require some equivalent payback.

Probably get a Bernie Madoff type of jail sentence. Most likely many Federal crimes were committed.