Triple_Se7en
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One Fireclean review on youtube shows the reviewer dousing his Taco and Hot Pocket with Fireclean, then eating it.
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Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
One Fireclean review on youtube shows the reviewer dousing his Taco and Hot Pocket with Fireclean, then eating it.
link - Fireclean For Lunch?
It is my opinion that this won't harm the guy. Still, oils of any type are not for consumption in large quantities.
One Fireclean review on youtube shows the reviewer dousing his Taco and Hot Pocket with Fireclean, then eating it.
link - Fireclean For Lunch?
It is my opinion that this won't harm the guy. Still, oils of any type are not for consumption in large quantities.
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Is this why you hate gasoline vehicles and only drive diesel?
Do you EVER apply common sense to anything? I love the way you've managed to paint yourself into a corner, by going well beyond stupid to defend this worthless, overpriced slop. It's becoming comical to see just how far you'll reach to do it. You post pictures of a product that has gummed up your gun by doing nothing more than sitting. Bubba has reinforced that finding by posting this garbage has done the exact same thing to his guns.
Then, rather than quitting while your ahead, you continue to carry on about all of it's anti wear properties. Yet every picture you post of your guns after all of your so called, "high volume shooting", shows them bone dry with absolutely zero lubrication of any type on them. You're like a fishing expert who doesn't own a pole.
Is this why you hate gasoline vehicles and only drive diesel?
Do you EVER apply common sense to anything? I love the way you've managed to paint yourself into a corner, by going well beyond stupid to defend this worthless, overpriced slop. It's becoming comical to see just how far you'll reach to do it. You post pictures of a product that has gummed up your gun by doing nothing more than sitting. Bubba has reinforced that finding by posting this garbage has done the exact same thing to his guns.
Then, rather than quitting while your ahead, you continue to carry on about all of it's anti wear properties. Yet every picture you post of your guns after all of your so called, "high volume shooting", shows them bone dry with absolutely zero lubrication of any type on them. You're like a fishing expert who doesn't own a pole.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
One Fireclean review on youtube shows the reviewer dousing his Taco and Hot Pocket with Fireclean, then eating it.
And the total insanity continues. I wonder when Fireclean will sue him?
One Fireclean review on youtube shows the reviewer dousing his Taco and Hot Pocket with Fireclean, then eating it.
And the total insanity continues. I wonder when Fireclean will sue him?
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Is this why you hate gasoline vehicles and only drive diesel?
Do you EVER apply common sense to anything? I love the way you've managed to paint yourself into a corner, by going well beyond stupid to defend this worthless, overpriced slop. It's becoming comical to see just how far you'll reach to do it. You post pictures of a product that has gummed up your gun by doing nothing more than sitting. Bubba has reinforced that finding by posting this garbage has done the exact same thing to his guns.
Then, rather than quitting while your ahead, you continue to carry on about all of it's anti wear properties. Yet every picture you post of your guns after all of your so called, "high volume shooting", shows them bone dry with absolutely zero lubrication of any type on them. You're like a fishing expert who doesn't own a pole.
-It works great for what I've used it for, other than storage.
-You asked for scientific data as while back regarding wear, etc. Stating that vegetable/plant products aren't good at wear protection, and Weapon Shield has this glorious EP additive, and blah blah blah blah. Well BOOM, there it is, and it seems like it's better than your favorite product in every single way except long-term storage. Empirically.
-I posted one photo series of one instance where I ran a weapon hoping to find a failure point. You have been told this NUMEROUS times.
-Speaking of fishing experts who don't own a pole, what semi-auto suppressed rifles do you get trigger time with on the regular? Any? Ever?
You're just having to eat your words and it's funny.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: 90crvtec
Based on the premise of the original post, my question would be: What have you seen that shows that WeaponShield is superior at preventing wear?
That should keep you busy for a while. Now, before you start whining about the Falex machine, "one armed bandit's", "rigged tests", "Chlorinated Paraffin", and all the rest of the nonsense. Show us one single test of a "gun oil" currently on the market that beats it under the exact same conditions. And when you do, be sure to include where to purchase it. Because I'll be the first guy there when the store opens.
So, which will you be switching to? Lucas? SLIP 2000 EWL? FIREClean? They all seem to have absolutely dominated WeaponShield in wear prevention...in an identical 3rd party test from a well-known lab.
www.brownells.com There ya go. Get to buyin'!
Oh. Wait. You're probably just full of hot air and don't plan on ACTUALLY doing what you said you would, so I guess no new purchases will be made, regardless of how hard you ran your keyboard in the above quote...what's your excuse? You made a challenge...I provided a response. Now explain how you will slink off and not buy the products (any of them above...) that you said you would, if the conditions were met...which they explicitly WERE.
And...excuse, GO!
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Is this why you hate gasoline vehicles and only drive diesel?
Do you EVER apply common sense to anything? I love the way you've managed to paint yourself into a corner, by going well beyond stupid to defend this worthless, overpriced slop. It's becoming comical to see just how far you'll reach to do it. You post pictures of a product that has gummed up your gun by doing nothing more than sitting. Bubba has reinforced that finding by posting this garbage has done the exact same thing to his guns.
Then, rather than quitting while your ahead, you continue to carry on about all of it's anti wear properties. Yet every picture you post of your guns after all of your so called, "high volume shooting", shows them bone dry with absolutely zero lubrication of any type on them. You're like a fishing expert who doesn't own a pole.
-It works great for what I've used it for, other than storage.
-You asked for scientific data as while back regarding wear, etc. Stating that vegetable/plant products aren't good at wear protection, and Weapon Shield has this glorious EP additive, and blah blah blah blah. Well BOOM, there it is, and it seems like it's better than your favorite product in every single way except long-term storage. Empirically.
-I posted one photo series of one instance where I ran a weapon hoping to find a failure point. You have been told this NUMEROUS times.
-Speaking of fishing experts who don't own a pole, what semi-auto suppressed rifles do you get trigger time with on the regular? Any? Ever?
You're just having to eat your words and it's funny.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: 90crvtec
Based on the premise of the original post, my question would be: What have you seen that shows that WeaponShield is superior at preventing wear?
That should keep you busy for a while. Now, before you start whining about the Falex machine, "one armed bandit's", "rigged tests", "Chlorinated Paraffin", and all the rest of the nonsense. Show us one single test of a "gun oil" currently on the market that beats it under the exact same conditions. And when you do, be sure to include where to purchase it. Because I'll be the first guy there when the store opens.
So, which will you be switching to? Lucas? SLIP 2000 EWL? FIREClean? They all seem to have absolutely dominated WeaponShield in wear prevention...in an identical 3rd party test from a well-known lab.
www.brownells.com There ya go. Get to buyin'!
Oh. Wait. You're probably just full of hot air and don't plan on ACTUALLY doing what you said you would, so I guess no new purchases will be made, regardless of how hard you ran your keyboard in the above quote...what's your excuse? You made a challenge...I provided a response. Now explain how you will slink off and not buy the products (any of them above...) that you said you would, if the conditions were met...which they explicitly WERE.
And...excuse, GO!
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Triple_Se7en
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What identical 3rd party test from a well-known lab?
Gotz' a link?
Gotz' a link?
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
What identical 3rd party test from a well-known lab?
Gotz' a link?
It's in the lawsuit against weaponshield. I cut and pasted a picture. 4 ball astmd4172 wear test. Weaponshield fared worse than fireclean.
What identical 3rd party test from a well-known lab?
Gotz' a link?
It's in the lawsuit against weaponshield. I cut and pasted a picture. 4 ball astmd4172 wear test. Weaponshield fared worse than fireclean.
Triple_Se7en
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All kinds of stuff comes up on Google search, using 4 ball astmd4172 wear test in the search box. Sounds like a long project ofr me and I haven't the time for that.
Fireclean denied me a free sample via an email I sent them a couple days ago. So the heck with them anyways. At least George was nice and requested I pay the shipping for the sample, which ends-up as more money per ounce than had I bought Weapon Shield.
I told him in-reply I would promote my free Gun Butter instead at deer camp, where 125 hunters attend.
Fireclean denied me a free sample via an email I sent them a couple days ago. So the heck with them anyways. At least George was nice and requested I pay the shipping for the sample, which ends-up as more money per ounce than had I bought Weapon Shield.
I told him in-reply I would promote my free Gun Butter instead at deer camp, where 125 hunters attend.
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Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
All kinds of stuff comes up on Google search, using 4 ball astmd4172 wear test in the search box. Sounds like a long project ofr me and I haven't the time for that.
Fireclean denied me a free sample via an email I sent them a couple days ago. So the heck with them anyways. At least George was nice and requested I pay the shipping for the sample, which ends-up as more money per ounce than had I bought Weapon Shield.
I told him in-reply I would promote my free Gun Butter instead at deer camp, where 125 hunters attend.
Why not just look at the lab report I posted in this thread? Clicking the back button isn't very arduous or time consuming.
You want some WS or FC? I'll send you a bit of both if you live in the US (No, I won't ship it to Pakistan, etc. lol)
PM me your address if you want some.
All kinds of stuff comes up on Google search, using 4 ball astmd4172 wear test in the search box. Sounds like a long project ofr me and I haven't the time for that.
Fireclean denied me a free sample via an email I sent them a couple days ago. So the heck with them anyways. At least George was nice and requested I pay the shipping for the sample, which ends-up as more money per ounce than had I bought Weapon Shield.
I told him in-reply I would promote my free Gun Butter instead at deer camp, where 125 hunters attend.
Why not just look at the lab report I posted in this thread? Clicking the back button isn't very arduous or time consuming.
You want some WS or FC? I'll send you a bit of both if you live in the US (No, I won't ship it to Pakistan, etc. lol)
PM me your address if you want some.
Get a life kid. You could really use one!
Originally Posted By: billt460
Get a life kid. You could really use one!
That's your argument against someone trying to help someone out by sending them free gear that they asked for? Really? Not only are you incapable of keeping your word, (see earlier posts, and your current refusal to buy Fireclean, Lucas, or SLIP 2000 EWL even though they beat Weaponshield in an identical wear-test, regardless of what you claimed earlier), but now, you are going to attack someone for trying to help someone else. What a shining example of humanity.
Oh. I run all my guns sopping wet. Because...few pictures and Bilt460 logic. Right?
*1700+ rounds, Noveske 14.5, unsuppressed, MPRO7 LPX, PMC M193 XTAC, VTAC Carbine 1.5, 2012.
Get a life kid. You could really use one!
That's your argument against someone trying to help someone out by sending them free gear that they asked for? Really? Not only are you incapable of keeping your word, (see earlier posts, and your current refusal to buy Fireclean, Lucas, or SLIP 2000 EWL even though they beat Weaponshield in an identical wear-test, regardless of what you claimed earlier), but now, you are going to attack someone for trying to help someone else. What a shining example of humanity.
Oh. I run all my guns sopping wet. Because...few pictures and Bilt460 logic. Right?
*1700+ rounds, Noveske 14.5, unsuppressed, MPRO7 LPX, PMC M193 XTAC, VTAC Carbine 1.5, 2012.
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Triple_Se7en
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Bill
I'll let you know if the incoming Weaponshield is snake oil. I suspect it's well above average. But I'll give you an honest opinion after two trial runs.
None of the oils will I run hard or long. I dont need extreme duty stuff. Typical gun range time for me (in and out the door) is 25 minutes and about 75 rounds using two pistols.
When I clean and oil, there's not much of a mess to clean at all. I just like using top-shelf products.
I'll let you know if the incoming Weaponshield is snake oil. I suspect it's well above average. But I'll give you an honest opinion after two trial runs.
None of the oils will I run hard or long. I dont need extreme duty stuff. Typical gun range time for me (in and out the door) is 25 minutes and about 75 rounds using two pistols.
When I clean and oil, there's not much of a mess to clean at all. I just like using top-shelf products.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Bill
I'll let you know if the incoming Weaponshield is snake oil. I suspect it's well above average. But I'll give you an honest opinion after two trial runs.
None of the oils will I run hard or long. I dont need extreme duty stuff. Typical gun range time for me (in and out the door) is 25 minutes and about 75 rounds using two pistols.
When I clean and oil, there's not much of a mess to clean at all. I just like using top-shelf products.
Make sure to de-grease the components completely so as to get a true comparison between the products. Also, both FIREClean and Weapon Shield have been recommended to me by their owners to be applied evenly/thinly. Fennell's recommendation is because his EP pack relies on boundary lubrication, and 1 molecule thickness is enough, per Fennell. My opinion is that less slop in the works, is better, if you're only shooting a hundred or two rounds with it. It cleaned up faster for me that way.
With the FIREClean, I found that their claims that applying it a day before worked better than applying it and going shooting a few minutes later. Similar to how Mil-spec CLP works with the solvent evaporating over time. Although, FC doesn't evaporate a solvent off. My opinion is that it just more evenly coats the part or something. I've seen that with other products. They tend to "creep" across the surfaces of metals/finishes, I guess is one way to word it. I typically applied it, wiped the part down quickly with a rag that wasn't very absorbent, and let it set over night.
Point being, a "sheen" is all you need with either product, according to both companies ,and indeed, for lower volume fire, I've found that's best. However, if you're really going to run the guns hard, suppressed, I'd slop 'em up like I did the Noveske above.
I have some Lucas Extreme Gun Oil, as well, if you want some of that, too.
I was just going to throw a bunch of miniature dripper bottles in an envelope and USPS Priority it to you. Should easily be enough product for you to try it out thoroughly for a cleaning or two, based on my usage of all products. FIREClean is even oddly specific enough in one review in a magazine to recommend "28 drops" for initially lubing an M4, and after the initial lube/wipe-down/usage, I have found literally 3 drops (1 for the bolt, 1 for the carrier, 1 in the upper) to be more than sufficient.
*Alcohol will not de-grease Lucas Gun Oil Extreme. It has little/no effect on removing it. Synthetic Safe Gun Scrubber is required, for that one.
Bill
I'll let you know if the incoming Weaponshield is snake oil. I suspect it's well above average. But I'll give you an honest opinion after two trial runs.
None of the oils will I run hard or long. I dont need extreme duty stuff. Typical gun range time for me (in and out the door) is 25 minutes and about 75 rounds using two pistols.
When I clean and oil, there's not much of a mess to clean at all. I just like using top-shelf products.
Make sure to de-grease the components completely so as to get a true comparison between the products. Also, both FIREClean and Weapon Shield have been recommended to me by their owners to be applied evenly/thinly. Fennell's recommendation is because his EP pack relies on boundary lubrication, and 1 molecule thickness is enough, per Fennell. My opinion is that less slop in the works, is better, if you're only shooting a hundred or two rounds with it. It cleaned up faster for me that way.
With the FIREClean, I found that their claims that applying it a day before worked better than applying it and going shooting a few minutes later. Similar to how Mil-spec CLP works with the solvent evaporating over time. Although, FC doesn't evaporate a solvent off. My opinion is that it just more evenly coats the part or something. I've seen that with other products. They tend to "creep" across the surfaces of metals/finishes, I guess is one way to word it. I typically applied it, wiped the part down quickly with a rag that wasn't very absorbent, and let it set over night.
Point being, a "sheen" is all you need with either product, according to both companies ,and indeed, for lower volume fire, I've found that's best. However, if you're really going to run the guns hard, suppressed, I'd slop 'em up like I did the Noveske above.
I have some Lucas Extreme Gun Oil, as well, if you want some of that, too.
I was just going to throw a bunch of miniature dripper bottles in an envelope and USPS Priority it to you. Should easily be enough product for you to try it out thoroughly for a cleaning or two, based on my usage of all products. FIREClean is even oddly specific enough in one review in a magazine to recommend "28 drops" for initially lubing an M4, and after the initial lube/wipe-down/usage, I have found literally 3 drops (1 for the bolt, 1 for the carrier, 1 in the upper) to be more than sufficient.
*Alcohol will not de-grease Lucas Gun Oil Extreme. It has little/no effect on removing it. Synthetic Safe Gun Scrubber is required, for that one.
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Triple_Se7en
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Yep on the Lucas Extreme...... thanks.
A bore cleaner prior to each switch makes sense. Good call there.
A bore cleaner prior to each switch makes sense. Good call there.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Yep on the Lucas Extreme...... thanks.
A bore cleaner prior to each switch makes sense. Good call there.
I've honestly been remiss with bores. I do 2 to 3 passes of a bore snake and that's it. Even after thousands of rounds. My rifle still shoots sub 1.5moa 10 shot groups, which is about the intrinsic limit of a .gov profile chrome lines barrel.
Yep on the Lucas Extreme...... thanks.
A bore cleaner prior to each switch makes sense. Good call there.
I've honestly been remiss with bores. I do 2 to 3 passes of a bore snake and that's it. Even after thousands of rounds. My rifle still shoots sub 1.5moa 10 shot groups, which is about the intrinsic limit of a .gov profile chrome lines barrel.
Triple_Se7en
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Meant to say gun cleaner. I'm heavy into muzzleloaders and bore cleaners are often discussed. Hard to teach this old dog new lingo.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Meant to say gun cleaner. I'm heavy into muzzleloaders and bore cleaners are often discussed. Hard to teach this old dog new lingo.
Supposedly the bio based lubes are awesome on muzzle loaders.
Meant to say gun cleaner. I'm heavy into muzzleloaders and bore cleaners are often discussed. Hard to teach this old dog new lingo.
Supposedly the bio based lubes are awesome on muzzle loaders.
Originally Posted By: Ws6
With the FIREClean, I found that their claims that applying it a day before worked better than applying it and going shooting a few minutes later. Similar to how Mil-spec CLP works with the solvent evaporating over time. Although, FC doesn't evaporate a solvent off. My opinion is that it just more evenly coats the part or something. I've seen that with other products. They tend to "creep" across the surfaces of metals/finishes, I guess is one way to word it. I typically applied it, wiped the part down quickly with a rag that wasn't very absorbent, and let it set over night.
Point being, a "sheen" is all you need with either product, according to both companies ,and indeed, for lower volume fire, I've found that's best. However, if you're really going to run the guns hard, suppressed, I'd slop 'em up like I did the Noveske above.
a lot of vegetable oils polymerise when in thin film form and exposed to oxygen.
With the FIREClean, I found that their claims that applying it a day before worked better than applying it and going shooting a few minutes later. Similar to how Mil-spec CLP works with the solvent evaporating over time. Although, FC doesn't evaporate a solvent off. My opinion is that it just more evenly coats the part or something. I've seen that with other products. They tend to "creep" across the surfaces of metals/finishes, I guess is one way to word it. I typically applied it, wiped the part down quickly with a rag that wasn't very absorbent, and let it set over night.
Point being, a "sheen" is all you need with either product, according to both companies ,and indeed, for lower volume fire, I've found that's best. However, if you're really going to run the guns hard, suppressed, I'd slop 'em up like I did the Noveske above.
a lot of vegetable oils polymerise when in thin film form and exposed to oxygen.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Ws6
With the FIREClean, I found that their claims that applying it a day before worked better than applying it and going shooting a few minutes later. Similar to how Mil-spec CLP works with the solvent evaporating over time. Although, FC doesn't evaporate a solvent off. My opinion is that it just more evenly coats the part or something. I've seen that with other products. They tend to "creep" across the surfaces of metals/finishes, I guess is one way to word it. I typically applied it, wiped the part down quickly with a rag that wasn't very absorbent, and let it set over night.
Point being, a "sheen" is all you need with either product, according to both companies ,and indeed, for lower volume fire, I've found that's best. However, if you're really going to run the guns hard, suppressed, I'd slop 'em up like I did the Noveske above.
a lot of vegetable oils polymerise when in thin film form and exposed to oxygen.
This may be what occurs. I don't know. I do know that I had a fireclean treated rifle that gummed up. I lubed it heavier than I was instructed to. If that's what occurred, I think it's a double edged sword. The thinly lubed parts of that rifle, for example, were indeed fine. Some people will dislike this, and some won't care, and some shoot often enough that it's a non issue. I personally like the low coefficient of friction fireclean affords me when I get a weapon dirty. I've been using slip 2000 ewl for several hundred rounds now , and it does very well, but not quite as well as fireclean did.
I think if you're a shooter, fireclean might be the way to go. If you're a collector, I'd urge considering "gunslick" foaming oil. Jerry miculek was pimping it a while back, and it absolutely dominated in the corrosion tests I did at the time.
*the firecleaned rifle that gummed up sat in a safe for over a year. During the same timeframe, I was using fireclean on my rifle, which saw moderate use, and had no issues.
Originally Posted By: Ws6
With the FIREClean, I found that their claims that applying it a day before worked better than applying it and going shooting a few minutes later. Similar to how Mil-spec CLP works with the solvent evaporating over time. Although, FC doesn't evaporate a solvent off. My opinion is that it just more evenly coats the part or something. I've seen that with other products. They tend to "creep" across the surfaces of metals/finishes, I guess is one way to word it. I typically applied it, wiped the part down quickly with a rag that wasn't very absorbent, and let it set over night.
Point being, a "sheen" is all you need with either product, according to both companies ,and indeed, for lower volume fire, I've found that's best. However, if you're really going to run the guns hard, suppressed, I'd slop 'em up like I did the Noveske above.
a lot of vegetable oils polymerise when in thin film form and exposed to oxygen.
This may be what occurs. I don't know. I do know that I had a fireclean treated rifle that gummed up. I lubed it heavier than I was instructed to. If that's what occurred, I think it's a double edged sword. The thinly lubed parts of that rifle, for example, were indeed fine. Some people will dislike this, and some won't care, and some shoot often enough that it's a non issue. I personally like the low coefficient of friction fireclean affords me when I get a weapon dirty. I've been using slip 2000 ewl for several hundred rounds now , and it does very well, but not quite as well as fireclean did.
I think if you're a shooter, fireclean might be the way to go. If you're a collector, I'd urge considering "gunslick" foaming oil. Jerry miculek was pimping it a while back, and it absolutely dominated in the corrosion tests I did at the time.
*the firecleaned rifle that gummed up sat in a safe for over a year. During the same timeframe, I was using fireclean on my rifle, which saw moderate use, and had no issues.
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I looked and FIREClean charges $15 for a 2oz bottle, absolutely absurd.
I thought I spent a lot on gun lube when I bought a 16oz bottle of Ballistol for $17.
There are a limitless number of geewiz bang firearm lubes that are on the market. Most of them are nothing more than overpriced CLPs.
I thought I spent a lot on gun lube when I bought a 16oz bottle of Ballistol for $17.
There are a limitless number of geewiz bang firearm lubes that are on the market. Most of them are nothing more than overpriced CLPs.
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