FIREClean responds to Vuurwapenblog/Crisco claims

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Originally Posted By: Astro14
I doubt there are any actual military users of either frog lube or fire clean. Neither are mil spec.

Now, soldiers, spec ops guys, and others in the military will use whatever they like on their own guns, and as young people, are easily taken in by hype...but they are simply personal users at that point.


People use what they want in certain units. That includes FIREClean and Froglube. They are also not "all young people". Plenty are active duty into their 40's. Yes, they are what I'd call "personal users" at that point, nor would I point to their use as vindication of said product. However, the "Rockstar user" is something that many companies court very aggressively.
 
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Originally Posted By: Reddy45
On a similar note wasn't frog lube purportedly made from coconut oil?


Frog Lube is basically nothing more than a rebadged, biodegradable roller coaster track lubricant. Which is also made from plant based oils, with a mint scent added to it, being pedaled as a firearms lubricant. As far as I know no one has sued them, nor are they suing anyone else..... Yet.


You've been asleep at the wheel, then.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/casdce/3:2014cv01933/450932
 
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
You've been asleep at the wheel, then.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/casdce/3:2014cv01933/450932


Your link provides little to zero useable information, much like your "lubrication tests". The words "Frog Lube" are not mentioned anywhere in the link. This "Audemous Inc." who appears to have added Frog Lube to some sort of biodegradable list, is mentioned. There are no details of any kind of who is suing who over what. However none of this surprises me given the nature of the product.
 
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
You've been asleep at the wheel, then.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/casdce/3:2014cv01933/450932


Your link provides little to zero useable information, much like your "lubrication tests". The words "Frog Lube" are not mentioned anywhere in the link. This "Audemous Inc." who appears to have added Frog Lube to some sort of biodegradable list, is mentioned. There are no details of any kind of who is suing who over what. However none of this surprises me given the nature of the product.


It was all resolved out of court. All parties dismissed. If you want the whole story, start with Scott Lee and Trillium. That's the kitchen where that entire enchilada came from.
 
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
If you want the whole story, start with Scott Lee and Trillium. That's the kitchen where that entire enchilada came from.


All of your name dropping aside, I could care less. It looks like 2 companies who make biodegradable gun lube, got into some type of legal tussle. I wouldn't use either for reasons I've stated several times on this forum. Because of that it wouldn't matter to me if they sued each other out of existence. I stand corrected. I don't find it a bit surprising that Frog Lube would be involved in legal action, considering the controversial nature of the product.
 
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
If you want the whole story, start with Scott Lee and Trillium. That's the kitchen where that entire enchilada came from.


All of your name dropping aside, I could care less. It looks like 2 companies who make biodegradable gun lube, got into some type of legal tussle. I wouldn't use either for reasons I've stated several times on this forum. Because of that it wouldn't matter to me if they sued each other out of existence. I stand corrected. I don't find it a bit surprising that Frog Lube would be involved in legal action, considering the controversial nature of the product.


"It looks like..."

But what it actually was...Two companies contracted with another company that designed a product for both of them...
 
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
They are also not "all young people". Plenty are active duty into their 40's.


40 is young.


Age is relative.
 
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I doubt there are any actual military users of either frog lube or fire clean. Neither are mil spec.

Now, soldiers, spec ops guys, and others in the military will use whatever they like on their own guns, and as young people, are easily taken in by hype...but they are simply personal users at that point.


People use what they want in certain units. That includes FIREClean and Froglube. They are also not "all young people". Plenty are active duty into their 40's. Yes, they are what I'd call "personal users" at that point, nor would I point to their use as vindication of said product. However, the "Rockstar user" is something that many companies court very aggressively.


Exactly. Those "Rock Star" users get their stuff for free in exchange for promotional endorsement. In my area, those guys are commonplace...and Frog Lube was pushed very, very hard by the local gun stores as a result.

Only the spec ops guys get to choose their products. The regular guys (I was in a MSRON, we had an armory with over 600 weapons, including crew-served) used mil-spec only. We had oversight, inspections, regs to be followed.

Our gunner's mates were great, and kept our weapons spotless, but we had to follow the rules and use approved products.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I doubt there are any actual military users of either frog lube or fire clean. Neither are mil spec.

Now, soldiers, spec ops guys, and others in the military will use whatever they like on their own guns, and as young people, are easily taken in by hype...but they are simply personal users at that point.


People use what they want in certain units. That includes FIREClean and Froglube. They are also not "all young people". Plenty are active duty into their 40's. Yes, they are what I'd call "personal users" at that point, nor would I point to their use as vindication of said product. However, the "Rockstar user" is something that many companies court very aggressively.


Exactly. Those "Rock Star" users get their stuff for free in exchange for promotional endorsement. In my area, those guys are commonplace...and Frog Lube was pushed very, very hard by the local gun stores as a result.

Only the spec ops guys get to choose their products. The regular guys (I was in a MSRON, we had an armory with over 600 weapons, including crew-served) used mil-spec only. We had oversight, inspections, regs to be followed.

Our gunner's mates were great, and kept our weapons spotless, but we had to follow the rules and use approved products.


I do not know what/if LAV was paid by FIREClean, but everyone gets free CLP. I get free CLP, and I'm a no-body. What people in LAV's league get is mucho bucks for endorsing a product.
 
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I think it's going to kill FC's civilian market pretty darn dead, if I had to guess, no-matter who "wins" in court.


If civilian shooters have awoken to the idea that it's garbage, my guess is the military, or "professional" shooters are going to determine the exact same thing. What you're seeing here is pure capitalism at work. And over the centuries it's been proven to work pretty well.


http://soldiersystems.net/2016/04/01/fir...se-advertising/

Also in the lawsuit, FIREClean states that FIREClean offers superior wear protection to Weapon Shield as measured by "wear scar".

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Like I said...vegetable based lubes have pretty solid anti-wear properties. There is your data that you asked for some time ago...

Further...looks like SLIP 2000 EWL performs pretty well...and also looks like whatever Lucas is using, it does pretty darn good, compared to Weapon Shield. All that Lucas bashing on this board...

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Originally Posted By: Ws6
Like I said...vegetable based lubes have pretty solid anti-wear properties. There is your data that you asked for some time ago...

Further...looks like SLIP 2000 EWL performs pretty well...and also looks like whatever Lucas is using, it does pretty darn good, compared to Weapon Shield. All that Lucas bashing on this board...


You should be selling the stuff the way your defending it. Maybe you can get some of their lost $25K back. Then again, in your case it doesn't matter what any of them do. You run your guns dryer than the Sahara. "Wear Scar"? What's next, bolt carrier rash?
 
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Like I said...vegetable based lubes have pretty solid anti-wear properties. There is your data that you asked for some time ago...

Further...looks like SLIP 2000 EWL performs pretty well...and also looks like whatever Lucas is using, it does pretty darn good, compared to Weapon Shield. All that Lucas bashing on this board...


You should be selling the stuff the way your defending it. Maybe you can get some of their lost $25K back. Then again, in your case it doesn't matter what any of them do. You run your guns dryer than the Sahara. "Wear Scar"? What's next, bolt carrier rash?


Are you just mad that vegetable based oils are better at preventing friction and wear than your favorite petroleum product? I am amused.
 
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
The biggest issue I have with Fireclean is the one year shelf/purchase life on it.



That was old. I asked about it and it was because they were unsure how long the shelf life really was, and initially kabelled om the side of caution. Ironically, George fennell used a bottle several years old in his video, as they took the shelf life off the label around 2013. Even Mr fennell opined thay his sample seemed fine. I myself have bottles over a year old, that are fine.
 
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Are you just mad that vegetable based oils are better at preventing friction and wear than your favorite petroleum product?


No. I don't like oils that turn into a sticky and congealed mess if you leave them on a weapon for any length of time. Like both YOU and Bubba have proven with this garbage.
 
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Are you just mad that vegetable based oils are better at preventing friction and wear than your favorite petroleum product?


No. I don't like oils that turn into a sticky and congealed mess if you leave them on a weapon for any length of time. Like both YOU and Bubba have proven with this garbage.


Is this why you hate gasoline vehicles and only drive diesel?

Some people shoot (and drive) enough thay that isn't an issue. The benefits of the product outweigh downfalls they will never experience, in other words.
 
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