Financial education at age XX ?

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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Marry a rich woman with no children. Just kidding.

Probably the best financial advice out there.
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
pandus13,

Did you start an IRA yet ?



cash money,

Yes, money in the bank reduces stress and worries. Especially for unexpected things in life that can destroy your finances.




Cash is always nice to have and whether you have some available or not is entirely your choice.
Disasters happen.
A little cash on hand solves them.
I've viewed things in this way since I was in my twenties and forty years on I'm looking at a comfortable retirement.
No financial magic, just having spent less than what we've made on average over the years.
Extravagant vacations with the kids when they were younger?
A few, but only when we could easily afford them.
New cars?
A number of those as well, but only when we actually needed a car and never an extravagant model.
You need not live like a miser to accumulate money.
You need only spend less than you take home on a consistent basis.
 
Spent a good portion of my 20s starting a business and being in school. Probably could have lightened up a bit and had more fun. I save for my retirement and put money in my kids' 529s regularly...however always feel guilty for not doing more. Best financial advice is to simultaneously save and pay off debt throughout the years (live within your means)...though it is hard to do...takes a lot of sacrifice.
 
I'd suggest that investment is risky to investors at any age. One way to minimize risk is to simply purchase a well managed index fund.

I'd also suggest that investing money is not a way to make large sums, unless one get's quite lucky. Instead, I'd teach the high rate of correlation between intelligence, income and wealth.
 
Originally Posted By: Cujet
I'd suggest that investment is risky to investors at any age. One way to minimize risk is to simply purchase a well managed index fund.

I'd also suggest that investing money is not a way to make large sums, unless one get's quite lucky. Instead, I'd teach the high rate of correlation between intelligence, income and wealth.


Depend on the market and how long you do it. At one point, I put in 2k in an IRA for 7 years in a row, it grew to 40k. Then there was a correction and I think I lost like 15k but it came back and kept going after that... If you just invest for 3-5 years, you probably won't see anything, but after 10 or 20 or even 30 years, compound interest becomes really amazing.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
pandus13,
Did you start an IRA yet ?
...

Just a ROTH for now.
I didn't take advantage of my company's 401k match (don't laugh, i kind of wanted to leave them, but here we are 4 years later....) but I think I was lucky and doubled them in RE (and learn many lessons because of C rental class)
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359


Depend on the market and how long you do it. At one point, I put in 2k in an IRA for 7 years in a row, it grew to 40k. Then there was a correction and I think I lost like 15k but it came back and kept going after that... If you just invest for 3-5 years, you probably won't see anything, but after 10 or 20 or even 30 years, compound interest becomes really amazing.


$2K to $40K is fantastic, good for you! (you took a gamble and won, it does happen) Unfortunately the stats bear out that most of us can't achieve anywhere near that level of return, and that in fact, most investors get a return that is slightly lower than an index fund.

Compound interest is often offset by real world inflation rates. The CPI, Consumer Price Index, a commonly quoted inflation index uses a methodology called "hedonics" in calculation. Meaning that any additional features in a product is subtracted from it's price, to come up with a way to modify the outcome.

A great example is a washing machine. $300 for a specific Whirlpool 4 cubic foot model in 2003. 15 years later, a typical whirlpool is $700. However, that $700 machine has a bunch of new features and functions, including the fact that it uses far less water (hot and cold) Using "hedonics", the "new features" value is calculated at $233, and subtracted from the $700 list price. Leading to a CPI price of $467. SURPRISINGLY close to the often quoted 3% annual inflation rate.

Hint: The actual real-world inflation in this example is 6%. Unless your compound interest account exceeds 6%, you have not made money, you've simply managed to maintain your purchasing power.


Quote Robert A. Heinlein: "A hundred dollars put into a savings account at 6% for 200 years will be worth two million, which, by then, will be worthless"
 
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Actually that was $14k, 2k per year over 7 years and it grew to 40k. Kinda lost track after that as I mingled the account with some 401k money, but it's still been growing all these year. And those funds were invested in mutual funds, not really that big a gamble.
 
In my 20's I worked too little and too much at the same time. Too worried about not being able to pay the bills. Should of hit the road in truck/camper combo that I was thinking about. Should of just worked when I needed to. Not sure how to put that into advice.. I've got two more years of 30's left so better not comment on that era.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Wolf,

What did you invest in that it grew so high ?


That was Janus 20. It's now Janus 40. Had some good years and had some dead ones. Still have some of it, but I moved a lot into Vanguard Index 500.
 
Originally Posted By: Eric Smith
... Should of hit the road in truck/camper combo that I was thinking about...

I think our wifes don't get why we want to keep driving to various places....

For me is relaxing. My parents never really drove a lot and I got my vehicles+license at a late age.

US has lots of nice and beautiful places to see.
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Wolf,
What did you invest in that it grew so high ?


That was Janus 20. It's now Janus 40. Had some good years and had some dead ones. Still have some of it, but I moved a lot into Vanguard Index 500.


Wolf,

Do you miss your electrical engineering job or was RE more fun?
 
I remember being 16 and deciding that I'd never retire. Unfortunately, I was 16 and I doubt an older version of myself would be able to convince a younger me into changing my ways. It wasn't until I was 36 that I gave any thought to retiring.

Something I only picked up on recently was the notion that one could throttle back on their 401k contribution. At some point the principle is large enough that growth is larger than the contribution max. Of course, it'll grow faster if you keep contributing, that's simple math. But in this age of "oh no one is saving enough for retirement, and even if you are maxing it out then you should still be saving elsewhere" it's one small consolation. It's a milestone I'm looking forward to.
 
Originally Posted By: pandus13
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Wolf,
What did you invest in that it grew so high ?


That was Janus 20. It's now Janus 40. Had some good years and had some dead ones. Still have some of it, but I moved a lot into Vanguard Index 500.


Wolf,

Do you miss your electrical engineering job or was RE more fun?


RE is less work. Computers were sometimes more fun, but sometimes there were long nights and weekends. Even worked once for 24 hours, in during the day, then a server died, spent all night rebuilding it and restoring from backup, most of it was just waiting though, in at 9am in the morning went home the next day a bit after 9am.
 
Originally Posted By: pandus13
Hello BITOGers,

If Tomorrow you would be:
-20
-30
-40
-50
-60
years old, what would you do different, what would you start and what would you want to know?

Me , at 20, I would invest more of my time into me and not for others. Learn about compound interest, rule of 72, stocks, investments, RE, working with people (I'm a shy nerd)
At 30, open my eyes since 2005-2009 was coming
at 40, well I'm here and still a lot to learn...


Unfortunately lots of parents do NOT talk to their children about what you wished you knew in your 20’s

Kids just see their parents squandering money buying the latest and greatest gadgets and not investing for their future.... then the parents complain they are broke and not able to retire.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: pandus13
Hello BITOGers,

If Tomorrow you would be:
-20
-30
-40
-50
-60
years old, what would you do different, what would you start and what would you want to know?

Me , at 20, I would invest more of my time into me and not for others. Learn about compound interest, rule of 72, stocks, investments, RE, working with people (I'm a shy nerd)
At 30, open my eyes since 2005-2009 was coming
at 40, well I'm here and still a lot to learn...


Unfortunately lots of parents do NOT talk to their children about what you wished you knew in your 20’s

Kids just see their parents squandering money buying the latest and greatest gadgets and not investing for their future.... then the parents complain they are broke and not able to retire.




My parents saved a ton of money, drive cars for 20 years into ground, frugal and enjoy life a bit. The major fault was a ton of money in CD or bank and little investment or risk. So they have a good amount of liquid money but in life could have invested a percentage in something and likely would be further ahead. They had no complaints really.
 
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