Finally making the switch to Amsoil!!!

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
I'm suggesting using the Toyota 0W-20 at least until Amsoil comes out with a 20wt oil of the appropriate viscosity.


you have yet to post any evidence that Amsoil SAE 20's are not really SAE 20. Appropriate viscosity?

Pablo I know you like to obfuscate the issue but I never said Amsoil didn't offer 20wt oils. 20 is the SAE oil grade not the oils viscosity. Amsoil's lightest oil (by a small margin) is the XLZ 0W-20 with the viscosity spec's, HTHS 2.7cP and a 167 VI.
As I mentioned previously the Toyota 0W-20's viscosity spec's are HTHS 2.6cP and a 216 VI.
That translates into the Toyota oil being lighter at all oil temp's but particularly on start-up. At freezing (32F) it's a whopping 45% lighter, at room temperature 30% lighter and it is still over 20% lighter at 100F. And yes 100F is still a cold start for an engine.

Toyota engineers believe in the benefits of high VI motor oils but Amsoil doesn't make one. So OP has a choice. He can go along and use the recommended lubricate of the manufacturer of his wife's car or choose to ignore that recommendation and go with old school thinking of Amsoil.

 

[Y_K]

It's just one prospective customer drama, not a Facebook IPO scale matter.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM

Pablo I know you like to obfuscate the issue but I never said Amsoil didn't offer 20wt oils.


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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
I'm suggesting using the Toyota 0W-20 at least until Amsoil comes out with a 20wt oil of the appropriate viscosity.


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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
20 is the SAE oil grade not the oils viscosity. Amsoil's lightest oil (by a small margin) is the XLZ 0W-20 with the viscosity spec's, HTHS 2.7cP and a 167 VI.
As I mentioned previously the Toyota 0W-20's viscosity spec's are HTHS 2.6cP and a 216 VI.
That translates into the Toyota oil being lighter at all oil temp's but particularly on start-up. At freezing (32F) it's a whopping 45% lighter, at room temperature 30% lighter and it is still over 20% lighter at 100F. And yes 100F is still a cold start for an engine.


So you never actually answer my question or post the Toyota requirement. And I'm obfuscating? Does the Amsoil meet the Toyota requirements or not? You need to answer this squarely before I ask you to prove to us that Amsoil will cause some kind of undue wear. Please answer the question.

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Toyota engineers believe in the benefits of high VI motor oils but Amsoil doesn't make one. So OP has a choice. He can go along and use the recommended lubricate of the manufacturer of his wife's car or choose to ignore that recommendation and go with old school thinking of Amsoil.


Old school proven thinking, I think you meant to say. I'm not saying the Toyota engineers don't know their stuff, I'm sure they learned a lot from their sludge problems. I'm sorry to say, but I actually trust Amsoil more than Toyota when it comes to motor oil. Not putting Toyota down, I own one.

 

[CATERHAM]

Yes you continue to obfuscate the issue.
I never said the use of Amsoil would lead to "some kind of undue wear". What I'm saying is that the Toyota oil has better viscometrics. So it will provide better fuel economy and cold driveability. And if you drive aggressively with a stone cold engine, yes the potential of lower wear is there.
In summary I believe the Toyota 0W-20 is a better lubricant choice for the OP than Amsoil's offering.

 

[DragRace]

Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Ive always wanted to run Amsoil in my cars, but the price difference has always discouraged me. Now that PP and mobil 1 Full Synthetic have creeped up in price (I dont even know when or how that happened!) Amsoil is looking even more attractive.

Wife's car is a 2012 Corolla. It is spec'd for 0W20. Im planning on getting some Amsoil from Pablo (Fellow Bitog'er) in the next 2 weeks. Ive still got a stash of 5 gallons of 5W30 for my nissan versa, but once that is out, my versa is going on an Amsoil diet as well!

 

[Jocephus]

Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Ive always wanted to run Amsoil in my cars, but the price difference has always discouraged me. Now that PP and mobil 1 Full Synthetic have creeped up in price (I dont even know when or how that happened!) Amsoil is looking even more attractive.

Wife's car is a 2012 Corolla. It is spec'd for 0W20. Im planning on getting some Amsoil from Pablo (Fellow Bitog'er) in the next 2 weeks. Ive still got a stash of 5 gallons of 5W30 for my nissan versa, but once that is out, my versa is going on an Amsoil diet as well!


Great for you...I'm thinking about switching my Corolla over but I'm wanting to see some used oil analysis first.

 

[buster]

It's hard to argue with CATERHAM's logic, unless you are selling Amsoil. There are trade-offs and in this case the Toyota is biased towards cold temperature/maximum fuel economy vs long drain capability.

Some oils do things better than others. Amsoil makes excellent long drain oils, but their 20 grade is on the thicker side.

The Toyota 0w20 seems pretty capable of 10k mile drains.

 

[Scotty1981]

I am also thinking of switching and thought I should chime in here instead of making a new thread. I have an 8th Gen Civic and wanted to know if amsoil ATF and coolant was compatible with hondas. I'm not too worried about oil right now as I run of the OLM so I just let the dealer do the changes right now, they only charge me 18.95 +tax.

 

[bluesubie]

The OP is in Texas. The cold cranking viscosity test on 0W oil is performed at -35C. Sometimes you guys really take splitting hairs to the extreme. OMG, Amsoil 0W-20 is too thick! Funny.

-Dennis

 

[DragRace]

Originally Posted By: bluesubie
The OP is in Texas. The cold cranking viscosity test on 0W oil is performed at -35C. Sometimes you guys really take splitting hairs to the extreme. OMG, Amsoil 0W-20 is too thick! Funny.

-Dennis


My thoughts exactly!

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Yes you continue to obfuscate the issue.
I never said the use of Amsoil would lead to "some kind of undue wear". What I'm saying is that the Toyota oil has better viscometrics. So it will provide better fuel economy and cold driveability. And if you drive aggressively with a stone cold engine, yes the potential of lower wear is there.
In summary I believe the Toyota 0W-20 is a better lubricant choice for the OP than Amsoil's offering.


If you can tell me EXACTLY what I'm obfuscating - I can come clean! I'm certainly not hiding that Amsoil has a very slightly better HTHS 0W-20, and a slightly more viscous oil. On these two things, you judge one oil and say it's a better lubricant choice. I've got not problem with your opinion, put that way, but to say "until Amsoil comes out with a 20wt oil of the appropriate viscosity" is just DEAD WRONG.

So what am I hiding and dodging? I really don't get it.

In Texas, better fuel economy with one 0W-20 over another? You make funny joke, yes?

 

[buster]

I would love to see actual fuel economy data on a 20 grade with a HT/HS of 2.6 vs 2.8.

The Amsoil is a stout oil, no doubt. The word "better" is somewhat subjective.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: buster
I would love to see actual fuel economy data on a 20 grade with a HT/HS of 2.6 vs 2.8.

The Amsoil is a stout oil, no doubt. The word "better" is somewhat subjective.


Is it not almost always? Well said.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: bluesubie
The OP is in Texas. The cold cranking viscosity test on 0W oil is performed at -35C.


In defence of CATERHAM's point, he didn't bring up MRV or CCV at all. He was pointing to HTHS and VI. He prefers something with a higher VI - end of story.

Personally, and in defence of Amsoil, I don't think it's a huge deal in either a cold or hot climate. There is a clear choice to be made - you either choose the OEM oil with lighter characteristics or you choose Amsoil for its long drain capabilities. It depends which specification you're looking for and what you're trying to accomplish with the oil.

It's only splitting hairs if you're not looking for one of those two characteristics. If he's just choosing an oil for, say, a 3000 mile OCI, then it would be splitting hairs and the cheaper product wins, which likely is the OEM stuff.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: bluesubie
The OP is in Texas. The cold cranking viscosity test on 0W oil is performed at -35C.


In defence of CATERHAM's point, he didn't bring up MRV or CCV at all. He was pointing to HTHS and VI. He prefers something with a higher VI - end of story.

Personally, and in defence of Amsoil, I don't think it's a huge deal in either a cold or hot climate. There is a clear choice to be made - you either choose the OEM oil with lighter characteristics or you choose Amsoil for its long drain capabilities. It depends which specification you're looking for and what you're trying to accomplish with the oil.

It's only splitting hairs if you're not looking for one of those two characteristics. If he's just choosing an oil for, say, a 3000 mile OCI, then it would be splitting hairs and the cheaper product wins, which likely is the OEM stuff.



+1

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Garak

If he's just choosing an oil for, say, a 3000 mile OCI, then it would be splitting hairs and the cheaper product wins, which likely is the OEM stuff.



Amsoil 0W-20 OEZ is $4.70/qt by the each. $4.44/qt each for 12 in a case.

Toyota 0W-20 oil is $5-$6 qt if you order it, more locally.

 

[4ever4d]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Garak

If he's just choosing an oil for, say, a 3000 mile OCI, then it would be splitting hairs and the cheaper product wins, which likely is the OEM stuff.



Amsoil 0W-20 OEZ is $4.70/qt by the each. $4.44/qt each for 12 in a case.

Toyota 0W-20 oil is $5-$6 qt if you order it, more locally.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Amsoil 0W-20 OEZ is $4.70/qt by the each. $4.44/qt each for 12 in a case.

Toyota 0W-20 oil is $5-$6 qt if you order it, more locally.


There you go, Pablo, shows me what I don't know. I think the Toyota is priced similarly up here, at least if you go to the right dealer. I certainly have seen Amsoil on the shelf at one place, but absolutely nothing in a 20 grade, and what they have is reasonably competitive, but not a smoking deal like you're able to provide.

 

[BigBird57]

Just be aware the OE and the XL are largely Group III basestocks. Do not forget to add one dollar per qt for shipping. The SSO is the true boutique formula the others are just like everyone else. Nothing special. G-Oil or Pennzoil Ultra would serve you just as well.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Pablo


Amsoil 0W-20 OEZ is $4.70/qt by the each. $4.44/qt each for 12 in a case.

Toyota 0W-20 oil is $5-$6 qt if you order it, more locally.


Plus shipping for both above if delivered.