Filter info/lack there of overload....Which one ?

[earlyre]

Looking for a Filter to use on the next vibe OCI.
Last Pureone was torn, has pureone on now.
Ordered some WIX "Private Label Closeout" filters from Rock Auto, They are nearly old enough to vote(Built @ various times in 97), and WIX themselves say a filter's Shelf Life is only 5-7 years.
Here's their whole story including a Disscetion:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3360791/WIX_date_Codes?#Post3360791

Preferred requirements:
1)Silicon ADBV (This will be a Winter OCI w/ Pennzoil Platinum 5w30)
2)Preferred Cost under $6(willing to go up to $7)

Looking at the big chains local affiliates - but having trouble Determing ADBV materials from the photos they use.
Carquest (drive past them twice daily)
Carquest Red (R85394) is only $3.79
Carquest Premium (85394) is $8.19 (pic Looks to be Silicon)

Advance Auto - only thing that looked promising to me is the Mann Hummel (ML 1009) is $4.89, but if it's a US made isn't just the same as the P1 that already failed?

OReilly - Nearest store doesn't stock WIX (No one in town does) but the OReilly in the next town over does.
Wix 51394 - $6.99
Motorcraft FL-836 S.O. $6.69 ($9.09 @ Local Ford Dealer, $6.99 @ Amazon)

Napa - Furthest From me
Napa Gold (1394) $6.75
Napa Silver (31394) $3.04
ProSelect (21394) $2.97
(what's the Difference between the 3?)

Also in play would be the Local Toyota Dealer (Vibe is 99% Toyota Matrix)
Drive past them twice a day as well
prices not listed on their site, what is the ADBV?
90915-Yzzf2

too many choices with out clear info online, made my brain scream.
please weigh in on this for me folks.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: earlyre
Looking for a Filter to use on the next vibe OCI.
Last Pureone was torn, has pureone on now.
Ordered some WIX "Private Label Closeout" filters from Rock Auto, They are nearly old enough to vote(Built @ various times in 97), and WIX themselves say a filter's Shelf Life is only 5-7 years.
Here's their whole story including a Disscetion:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3360791/WIX_date_Codes?#Post3360791

Preferred requirements:
1)Silicon ADBV (This will be a Winter OCI w/ Pennzoil Platinum 5w30)
2)Preferred Cost under $6(willing to go up to $7)


WIX/NAPA Gold, Motorcraft or Fram Tough Guard.

 

[Merkava_4]

Out of what you listed, I'd pick either the WIX or the NAPA Gold. Both will have the silicone ADBV and everything else inside identical.

 

[toneydoc]

I agree with Merkava on his choices

 

[spasm3]

I would go the the napa gold from your list. I'm using the mobil 1 filters on my vehicles now, as they just don't have issues.

 

[SF0059]

What is your intended OCI? Out of those you mentioned I would go Wix or Napa Gold, whichever is easier to obtain.

That being said, personally I would spend the extra dollar or two to get a Fram Ultra, particularly if you are running extended drains.

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Out of what you listed, I'd pick either the WIX or the NAPA Gold. Both will have the silicone ADBV and everything else inside identical.


+1

 

[dnewton3]

Allow me to approach this from a different angle ...


Can you show me any evidence of credible study, resulting in data the distinctly shows different filters will postiviely have effect on wear trending outside of "normal" statistical variance?

After years of searching, including my membership in SAE, I have yet to find such proof.


Pick a filter you like, use it, and allow yourself to worry about other things like climate change, terrorism and other various things you have control over.

 

[HangFire]

Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Allow me to approach this from a different angle ...


Can you show me any evidence of credible study, resulting in data the distinctly shows different filters will postiviely have effect on wear trending outside of "normal" statistical variance?

After years of searching, including my membership in SAE, I have yet to find such proof.


Pick a filter you like, use it, and allow yourself to worry about other things like climate change, terrorism and other various things you have control over.

Are you saying we shouldn't stress over our filter choices? You won't get far on BITOG with an attitude like that!

 

[earlyre]

Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Allow me to approach this from a different angle ...


Can you show me any evidence of credible study, resulting in data the distinctly shows different filters will postiviely have effect on wear trending outside of "normal" statistical variance?

After years of searching, including my membership in SAE, I have yet to find such proof.


Pick a filter you like, use it, and allow yourself to worry about other things like climate change, terrorism and other various things you have control over.

I did that...pureone, b/c of their efficiency, cost, and availability...now the very models I was using are among the tear prone...
I like wix, but no one in town carries them. There is an O'Reilly 20 min or so away that does, but unless I'm already going that way for something...the same with Napa the nearest one is Downtown which is about a 20 minute drive from me and I rarely go that direction, so I guess what I was really wondering would be on the carquest filters, do the red filters also have a silicon valve? or just the premiums. also is anyone familiar with construction of the official Toyota filters? What is Their Adbv made of?
What's the difference between the grades of the Napa filters? Etc.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: earlyre
...What's the difference between the grades of the Napa filters? Etc.

Napa Gold is same as Wix as said above. And with very minor exceptions (only know one posted here), they use a silicone adbv. Others, Silver and ProSelect use nitrile.

Carquest Blue is the equivalent of the Wix/Napa Gold also with silicone adbv. The Red would be similar to the Silver and Pro Select with nitrile adbv.

HTH

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: earlyre
Also is anyone familiar with construction of the official Toyota filters? What is Their Adbv made of?


Toyota OEM used nitrile rubber ADBV. The Toyota TRD filters use silicone ADBV, but they are expensive - more than a Fram Ultra would be.

 

[earlyre]

ok folks, after work I went back to our oil asile (work @ Meijer), looked over the Fram TG4967's(the filter spec'd for the 1zzfe) we have. of all the frams on our shelves, these things... still the old box with the pic of a ford ranger on it, and if i read the date codes correctly, are from 2005..(all started with A5) these dozen or so filters are the only obvious ones that old, every other part number is a newer style box.

oi....

the main reason i want the Silicon ADBV is for retained pliability in the sustained sub-zero we'll likely face this winter, if it's a repeat of what we just had.

but then it hits me (please correct me if i'm wrong here...I really don't mind, just be nice about it

), it doesn't matter what the ADBV is made of in this application. the filter installs vertically, dome down, threads up. it's not going to lose it's prime, oil will drain down from the engine INTO the filter. the ADBV is to prevent the opposite from happening right? oil draining from the filter back into the engine, giving you a dry start....

I've been over thinking this for too long... heck I won't even change that car's oil again for a few months... time to crack open a cold brew and relax. maybe kill off those brain cells that were worrying over nothing.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: earlyre

but then it hits me (please correct me if i'm wrong here...I really don't mind, just be nice about it

), it doesn't matter what the ADBV is made of in this application. the filter installs vertically, dome down, threads up. it's not going to lose it's prime, oil will drain down from the engine INTO the filter. the ADBV is to prevent the opposite from happening right? oil draining from the filter back into the engine, giving you a dry start....


Even with an oil filter in that orientation, the ADBV could still be important. It all depends on the exactly where the filter is located in relation to the oil level in the sump and location of all the oil galleries above the oil filter and sump level. But chances are in your case the ADBV may not matter, just saying there's slight chance it still could.