Fidelity and AIG, a personal boiling point....

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I took my biggest hit this market dump because of Fidelity or rather Fidelity mutual funds that I had on "ignore" mode. I'm NOT looking to lay blame per se.....I can clearly and distinctly remember thinking: "Interesting how AIG is the largest holding in this fund and that fund and another...." and not doing anything about it. But hind sight is screaming at me.

I don't have the time to do the investigation, but does someone have any sense of this:

http://boston.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2008/09/15/daily47.html

Basically either Fidelity really was poor at doing their research or they are crooked as well. IE, someone knew. I have not stumbled across any worthwhile reporting.

PS: I have not received any response from Fidelity.

BITOG hack input welcome.
 
Boy I hope not. Fidelity is the one that handles the investments for Shell Oil and the one that administers my pension fund. There would be a shotgun come to Jesus meeting if something happened to my pension fund.
 
I here you Pablo. Almost all of Fidelity's funds were heavy in AIG and the rest of the financials and big banks.

I recently closed my account with Fidelity and moved to Schwab - they have a ton of no transaction fee funds to choose from, and their fees are less then Fidelity.
 
I am semi-retired, and some of my retirement money, because of the State of Texas, is in Fidelity Mutual Funds, however, they stopped offering a few mutual funds (that I wanted to reinvest my money back into prior to 2008) however, after taking a pounding around 2000-2001, I put my money into a money market fund, and government bonds, etc., with a constant $1.00 value, I have not gotten back to where I was in 1999 within the Fidelity Funds. However, the money is growing, slowly, on the sidelines.

Also, in early 2008, with what funds I have in a Self-Directed Rollover IRA/Roth IRA account, with Vanguard Brokerage, I sold off some of my stocks because the P/E (Price Earnings Ratio) and the earnings from the "Consolidated Statement of Cash Flows" regarding Operations Profit told me that it was time to get out of stocks. Citigroup was run by Mr. Prince, who was the handpicked successor of Sandy Weill (sp), the man who stepped down many years ago from running Citigroup. Prince was "finally" kicked out, but the damage was already done by Mr. Prince and his co-horts. He walked away with millions in his pocket.

Where can I get in line to be paid millions for failure? I am ready to join "that" group....Get rewarded millions for failure, what a twist of events. A sad commentary on America today, and the greed that has flourished, and the lack of governmental regulation and oversight. Madoff made off with a lot of people's money, and did not invest one penny, just had an elaborate "Ponzi Scheme."

Of course, he was the former president of the NASD (National Association of Securities Dealers), how could he do someone wrong? Well, now he is in jail awaiting his sentence, with probably more people to follow him too.

I retired from the teaching profession in January, 2001, and now work because I "want" to work, not because I "have" to work.

I learned from the October 19, 1987 smash, to get on the sidelines, and when you get an annual report, look at the Statement of Cash Flows and the Statement of Operations do you see an upward or downward trajectory on earnings from continuing operations from year to year? This is one simple way to see if the company you have invested in is growing or not. Usually they show 5-10 years of that type of operations in their annual reports. If you see that the "profits" are going up, then you know it is being profitable, providing the management and accountants are stating the truth, which nowadays is somewhat in doubt. Also, if you have internet access through your account to see who is investing and who is not, use that information to your advantage. If the major institutions are buying more than they are selling, and the insiders are buying too, then consider buying the stock, if not, stay away from it. Heck, I could write a book on this very subject on this forum.

The main thing to remember is that for the most part, since 1984, the responsibility of directing your investments are on your shoulders, not on the company anymore, thanks to the proliferation of the 401(a),(k) in the retirement arena. The government passed it into law in 1983-1984, which gave every company the excuse to stop the "defined benefit plan" where the company sends you a paycheck each month, and is responsible for any losses sustained, to a "defined contribution plan", the worker is left on his/her own, with some companies matching whatever the worker puts in toward his/her retirement up to a certain level of contribution.

I am so glad that the President Bush plan to put Social Security in Wall Street's hands "FAILED."

Thank God for that small favor.

Amen
 
Our government is to blame for all this . Write your Reresentative and ask for a bill to have all the political contributions returned to the naughty corps. It will help with a conflict of interest.
 
yeah, can you imagine Social security funds invested in wall street hands? I remember when he said that, it would have been a historic blunder just like the rest of his gaffs. we would be in a great depression for sure. There are alot of retired folks who live off of social security as their sole source of income. when I turn 67 in 35 years, social security won't be there anyway. It's just a legalized ponzi scheme! Can I sue the government when its time for me to collect?

Personally, all this bank bailout fiasco with bonuses has got me not putting money in the stock market at all. I do have an existing Roth IRA from my old company. But all my money now is going to my checking account, savings, and money market funds. It churns my stomach when stocks go way down because of a "rumor" There's just too much stock manipulation for my taste.
 
My wife also gets a pension from the State of Texas for the 20 years she was a school teacher there. That on top of her Wisconsin teacher retirement ain't bad.
 
For many many years, Pensions were run just like social security. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles did not state any rules for funding pensions. Now they do.
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So just like social security and any other program where a bunch of people have access to a lot of money, do you think they'd actually save it? NOPE. They spend it.

That's why the defined benefit retirement plan has become a burned up hunk of ash in the bon fire that has become our current economy.
 
Think of Fidelity as a very large ocean-going ship, and regular people, like me, as people in a row boat,or sometimes a small motorized boat, well, while Fidelity may be large, they can't turn very easily without disrupting the market, however, those in a rowboat or small motorized boat can manuever faster, so use that to your advantage. Read every business magazine out there, business book, go to the library, if you can't afford to buy the magazine or book, and read their copy, then develop a plan of what makes you feel comfortable. Ask yourself, do I want income or growth, or both? Then think about shifting around investments, if you made a profit in one area, ask yourself if it is still growing or not, if not, get out, and put that money in a money market fund or government market fund, with the constant 1.00 value. Don't be afraid to get out of the market, and then look for opportunities in areas that show signs of real growth. Financials have been really beaten up last year and this year. They are trading like penny stocks now, less than $5.00 is a penny stock.

Remember this too, High Return= High Risk, what is your "risk tolerance?" Can you sleep at night without worrying that your investment will tank and you lose everything? Investing is a major risk, because you could lose it all in the stock market.

Warren Buffet does not invest in anything that he does not fully understand how it works, of course he has lost billions too, so he is not immune to losing occassionally.

Keep a close eye on your investment portfolio at least on a quarterly basis, see how it is going, ask yourself, are you making or losing money? If making money, should I take the money and run.

I used to be a registered investment advisor with the SEC, but after they changed rules, I decided to get out of the business, and the only reason I got into it was because the brokerages were always looking for salesmen (dime a dozen) I wanted to be a portfolio manager, not a salesman. They said I did not have the experience, well, I gave myself that opportunity, and succeeded for a few years, then got out.

Where I work, there is a group of us who get together during lunch to talk about all kinds of subjects. Well, I told the group in early 2008, that I was getting out of the market, too much for me, I said, and I suggested to them to do the same, well, lo and behold, they did not, and they lost quite a bit of money.

I will admit that I have lost money in this wonderful market, but I have peace of mind now, because I put most of my money, that I could manuever into money market/government money funds, and although they are growing at the fantastic speed of less than 1% at least I am not losing money except through inflation.
 
Originally, this was the intended plan as per the famous federal government, back in 1984:

1) Defined Benefit Plan= Constant paycheck for the retiree

2) 401(a),(k), (203(b) for schoolteachers) another supplemental paycheck during retirement, and

3) Social Security Benefits for the retiree.

A three legged stool of paychecks and benefits, well, one of the legs has been broken off because of the law of 1983-1984. An unintended consequence of the law, most companies stopped their defined benefit plans and that hit the retiree in the pocketbook.
 
All company sponsored Defined-Benefit Plans had to follow GAAP Rules and Regulations.

GAAP= Generally Accepted Accounting Principles

All companies, with such a plan are/were audited on a regular basis, and they had to report to the SEC on a quarterly basis as well as a yearly basis, if they fell short, then the companies were given time to make up for the losses. That is why GM, Ford, and Chrysler are trying to unload their retirement/health plan obligations upon the union.
 
Originally Posted By: Mustang2008Z
All company sponsored Defined-Benefit Plans had to follow GAAP Rules and Regulations.

GAAP= Generally Accepted Accounting Principles



I'm an accountant! I realize that! But GAAP for a long time had no rules for funding pensions. So Pensions went unfunded. That's why the government had to bail a lot of Pensions out way back when.

Now if you operate a defined benefit plan, you have to fund it, and if it becomes underfunded, you have to keep it up and out of the red.
 
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sweet. My retirement fund was just switched to a Fidelity 401K about 6 months ago (from a 456b plan, which was only chosen because our "accountant" was an idiot). I've lost 50%+ of the value, and I'm sure this won't help.

Pretty soon I will be changing my target retirement date from 2035 to 2045. Other than that, it's too depressing to look at.
 
The government had rules regarding the funding of pensions and the companies used GAAP to report it to the SEC. I understand your point Drew.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: jdeare
. I've lost 50%+ of the value, and I'm sure this won't help.


The thing is, it already happened.


I'm sure this didn't help? :)
 
Originally Posted By: Mustang2008Z
Yes Drew, the companies had to fund it, and keep it out of the red


Before about the mid 60s, GAAP was all over the place regarding pensions and funding them and there wasn't any concrete rules for funding them. As a result, most went unfunded, or underfunded. Many still do to this day regardless of GAAP.

http://www.fasb.org/st/summary/stsum87.shtml
 
Most companies that I'm aware of stashed profits in them. There were many over funded pension funds. I imagine it was a manipulation of some stock holder group that wanted the profits distributed as dividends ..AND the government wanting it brought out into the corporate tax realm, that constructed the "fund as you go" defined benefit trust. There was also a demographic component to it that exacerbated the effects. In my company, the average life span into retirement was 18 months. The pension fund was paying out peanuts and it was cheap to advance beyond the current liability. Now, with the majority of employees sitting in the 50-55 age bracket, all of them are going to be taxing the fund big time over a short time span in the next 10 years.

That is, our defined benefit plan fund was augmented adequately in excess of the current demand and allowed decent growth of the fund, but there was no way it fully funded future obligations (based on any sensible actuary tables) that should have been deposited on a continual basis.

There was some movement by the union to convert from the defined benefit plan and getting "your share" of the trust to put in a fund that you wanted. I heard the clowns talking about $30k and whatnot. I just laughed. The company only had less than $5k per person in the pension fund. They really thought that their lives in retirement were worth so much more today (actually 6 years ago).
 
Steve S said:
Our government is to blame for all this .

I'm glad that someone sees the role our elected officials played in this meltdown. I wouldn't say they are totally to blame but they certainly are a big part of the problem. That is why it annoys me to see them 'grilling' the CEO's. They are just as guilty and so PHONEY.
 
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