FICO Score Inflation?

It’s all so confusing. Credit Karma says I have almost 730 but the FICO score displayed in the Amex app is like 50 less.

Hopefully it doesn’t ruin the interest rates if I need to buy a car soon :(

I maintain my original position. It's a scam that we have been conned into. You have no control over your FICO Score, and you will never know what it is. The sky would not fall if we got rid of it.
 
I maintain my original position. It's a scam that we have been conned into. You have no control over your FICO Score, and you will never know what it is. The sky would not fall if we got rid of it.
Unfortunately its a fact of modern life - if you wish to borrow money. You do have fairly complete control - don't over-extend and pay your bills on time. Your score will be high enough to get the best interest rates. Just paying your bills on time - all of them, will likely get you over 740 which is prime. After that it doesn't much matter what your number is.

I am not in disagreement that the credit reporting agencies are leaches, but that doesn't change the fact that there simply collecting data.
 
A FICO Score is something that controls your life and that you have no control over. In other words, it's the perfect scam. No one will ever know what their FICO Score is because the ratings agencies give different numbers depending upon who is asking. Why do we submit to this nonsense?
This. I don’t give a fritter fig about those agencies
 
I coasted along with an 850 since 2017 then paid off my house (Jan '26) and bought a new car (Feb 2026). I suddenly found myself a high risk person at 790. 😆

Clawed my way back up to 814 and then applied for a Chevron card the other night in an attempt to get cheaper gas, and here comes three emails from different entities letting me know my score had dropped to 810.

It blows me away that ridding of yourself of debt can drop your credit score. But it happens every time I close an account.

Don't care at the moment because there's not going to be any big credit-dependant purchases in the near future.
 
It blows me away that ridding of yourself of debt can drop your credit score. But it happens every time I close an account.
If you close a visa account and you have a carry on any other revolving credit - your revolving credit usage percentage goes up.

You definately don't want you carry to be above 50% of your total credit limit. 30% I think is what they are really looking for. So if you close an account, even you ever used it, it certainly can lower your score. Realize also carry counts even if you pay in full every month. So if you have a 10K total limit, and you charge $6K every month, even if you pay it off it still shows as a $6K carry.

The only way around is to pay your card off early - before the bill comes. So when they report to the agencies it shows a lower balance.

But again, if its still above the prime level it likely makes no diff.
 
It’s all so confusing. Credit Karma says I have almost 730 but the FICO score displayed in the Amex app is like 50 less.

Hopefully it doesn’t ruin the interest rates if I need to buy a car soon :(
Again, there is no single "credit score". There are a wide array of ways to calculate a "score" based upon what the credit bureau is looking for in making lending decisions.

American Express will show you your FICO Score 8 using Experian Data. If you have access to another credit card that shows the FICO Score 8, or the FICO website themselves, that number will be the same, assuming you pay for the service. I believe the free version of Score 8 on the myFICO website uses Equifax data. In this instance, however, your comparison to Credit Karma will not yield the same result because Credit Karma does not report a FICO score. They use a free score called VantageScore 3.0 that is based upon Equifax and TransUnion data and leaving out Experian.
 
If you close a visa account and you have a carry on any other revolving credit - your revolving credit usage percentage goes up.

You definately don't want you carry to be above 50% of your total credit limit. 30% I think is what they are really looking for. So if you close an account, even you ever used it, it certainly can lower your score. Realize also carry counts even if you pay in full every month. So if you have a 10K total limit, and you charge $6K every month, even if you pay it off it still shows as a $6K carry.

The only way around is to pay your card off early - before the bill comes. So when they report to the agencies it shows a lower balance.

But again, if its still above the prime level it likely makes no diff.
I pay for my entire life on the same card, with the exception of my Exxon card , and I pay the current balance showing after the most recent purchase on the first of the month. My statement cuts on the 4th. My cell bill normally hits after the first so they're usually reporting a carry of about $54. Occasionally I'll make a large purchase right after the 1st so the carry looks larger, and I'll lose a couple of points with that. No biggie. This is on a card with $17,000 limit. I don't have a balance on anything else.
Last account I closed was when I paid my last car off in 2025. It's been awhile since I closed a credit card, but it's about to happen again because Target has threatened to close my Circle card if I don't use it soon. 😆
 
A FICO Score is something that controls your life and that you have no control over. In other words, it's the perfect scam. No one will ever know what their FICO Score is because the ratings agencies give different numbers depending upon who is asking. Why do we submit to this nonsense?

Nobody is forcing you to open credit accounts and borrow money. Even when you do, how you make use of that credit line, their money don't forget, is up to you.

It's the lenders' game, and their rules.

Mr. Sharky from the "private money" industry downtown can also happily offer money to meet your needs, but you probably won't like his terms any more than the big banks, especially when payments are late.

1) If there is a formula, why is there a variance?

2) Are you saying that you checked six scores from six different sources?

There are multiple credit-rating bureaus, and multiple scoring models.

OK...but by "submit to", I read that as why do we allow/participate in the burden of FICO scores? The answer is because we have no choice other than to be financially responsible which I'd be doing anyway even if FICO scores didn't exist. The fact they exist and can be different is no skin off my nose whatsoever.

Many people obsess way too much over credit scores. Worse, without understanding what they measure, and how they're applied. Conduct a responsible fiscal life, and they should be no worry at all.

If you say so.

I recently applied at Chase Bank to get pre-approved for a mortgage. My Experian FICO Score from the bank was more than 15 points less than my FICO Score on my Experian account. It moved my score from an 8XX number to a 7XX number. Big difference? Heck if I know.

Again, there are different models, and different scores. In a sense, also "retail" vs. "wholesale" scores, meaning the scores that are touted publicly now by banks are not the same ones they look at, and use in their evaluations. Those "here is your credit score" campaigns only make the situation worse by muddling it.

FICO score reflects a snapshot of your current credit usage, types, and historical payment history. The change is score is likely influenced more than just closing an inactive account.

The payment history is the largest factor in most models. Pay your bills, on time, don't go wild, and the rest takes care of itself.

It’s all so confusing. Credit Karma says I have almost 730 but the FICO score displayed in the Amex app is like 50 less.

Hopefully it doesn’t ruin the interest rates if I need to buy a car soon :(

See above. Don't apply for new loans, or make big purchases on credit before milestone needs like a car or a house is near.

The 25% off Macy's will give you for getting their card today can impact the overall picture, and probably not worth it, in general.

Reading these posts, let’s not forget one very important aspect for some who may think there are other factors besides credit scores that matters to lenders. Not really except for maybe a mortgage company nobody else checks your liquid assets.

A mortgage lender looks at far more than a credit score. They do broadly help determine which class of product a borrower is eligible for, but a good credit score won't help if income or employment history doesn't suit. It's one factor, and not even the most important one.

This is where the small fluctuations can make a difference. Like if you need 800 to get the better product, but only have 790. But even in the short term, there are ways to address that. Also keep in mind that among the three largest bureau scores, the one that's considered is the one in the middle, with the high/low discarded. Let's say bureau F = 820, E = 770, and T = 790. The last one from bureau T is the one that's used.

However, what you pay for almost all in every type of insurance products your entire life will also be reflected in your credit rating, which is also figured into your insurance score.

That is the unfortunate part, like SSNs being used as generic IDs, or in ways not originally intended. But the data is out there, and enough of a correlation between an individual's fiscal behavior to predict what kind of risk they present in other aspects of their life.
 
It’s all so confusing. Credit Karma says I have almost 730 but the FICO score displayed in the Amex app is like 50 less.

Hopefully it doesn’t ruin the interest rates if I need to buy a car soon :(
Experian, Transunion, Equifax are the companies that lenders use credit scores from. They all offer different scores for in this case the auto industry.

Forget 3rd parties (sort of). However your FICO score also has different products. Maybe better said there are at least one half dozen different types of credit scores. So you are looking at one and wondering why they dont match up with another. They could be a completely different credit product.
@JustN89 gave a better view of this in post #26

BTW- not all credit scores go to 850 as perfect, different products offered be the credit agencies to lenders carry different scales. As an example credit cards or auto loans might use a product that goes to 900. Im unsure of which ones just explaining this is why you are wondering about discrepancies.
 
We have no debt, own our home, auto pay credit cards and keep a year’s spending of cash on hand.

And yet our credit dropped. It’s laughable.

The whole system is a joke.
 
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Nobody is forcing you to open credit accounts and borrow money. Even when you do, how you make use of that credit line, their money don't forget, is up to you.

It's the lenders' game, and their rules.

Mr. Sharky from the "private money" industry downtown can also happily offer money to meet your needs, but you probably won't like his terms any more than the big banks, especially when payments are late.



There are multiple credit-rating bureaus, and multiple scoring models.



Many people obsess way too much over credit scores. Worse, without understanding what they measure, and how they're applied. Conduct a responsible fiscal life, and they should be no worry at all.



Again, there are different models, and different scores. In a sense, also "retail" vs. "wholesale" scores, meaning the scores that are touted publicly now by banks are not the same ones they look at, and use in their evaluations. Those "here is your credit score" campaigns only make the situation worse by muddling it.



The payment history is the largest factor in most models. Pay your bills, on time, don't go wild, and the rest takes care of itself.



See above. Don't apply for new loans, or make big purchases on credit before milestone needs like a car or a house is near.

The 25% off Macy's will give you for getting their card today can impact the overall picture, and probably not worth it, in general.



A mortgage lender looks at far more than a credit score. They do broadly help determine which class of product a borrower is eligible for, but a good credit score won't help if income or employment history doesn't suit. It's one factor, and not even the most important one.

This is where the small fluctuations can make a difference. Like if you need 800 to get the better product, but only have 790. But even in the short term, there are ways to address that. Also keep in mind that among the three largest bureau scores, the one that's considered is the one in the middle, with the high/low discarded. Let's say bureau F = 820, E = 770, and T = 790. The last one from bureau T is the one that's used.



That is the unfortunate part, like SSNs being used as generic IDs, or in ways not originally intended. But the data is out there, and enough of a correlation between an individual's fiscal behavior to predict what kind of risk they present in other aspects of their life.
Well said!
 
We have no debt, own our home, auto pay credit cards and keep a year’s spending of cash on hand.

And yet our credit dropped. It’s laughable.

The whole system is a joke.
Mine bounces around by 8 or 10 points. Its noise and doesn't matter.

You might have had a bigger balance on a credit card which will bump it a bit.

If you haven't had any debt for a long time that can also hurt your score. You may think this makes no sense but it does. If you haven't needed credit for a long time and then suddenly you do, it could be a signal that your financial position changed suddenly.

Even so, if you have no intention of borrowing money then why would you even care?
 
Im surprised at much complaining in here. Hey, if you want to borrow money you borrow by their rules and they decide who to lend too. They decide how much of a risk you are. There is no scam as you are asking someone else for money that you didnt save up for on your own.
Simple stuff. There is no game here. It's personal responsibility. Blaming credit agencies, suggesting things are a scam is silly.

It is true, if you pay your credit line and household bills on time every month you score will be good enough to buy anything, taking into account income too sometimes.
If you buy everything cash or mostly cash your credit score will not be as high making you more of a risk that you will or will not fully repay a loan. Making statements like you pay everything on time, use a lot of cash and have little debt does not show a lender (credit agency) how credit worthy you might be by lending you $40,000 to buy a car. (just an example)

Back to personal responsibility. Use credit intelligently and wisely. BTW_ for those that truly do look to always have an exceptional credit score, those who do learn and educate themselves. You will be rewarded with better insurance rates and also as an example, these automobile ads that promise ultra low to no interest car loans. This intentionally require VERY high credit scores that much of the population can not get. The auto companies know most won't qualify but if your one to want to beat the system, then be that one to have that ultra high score by learning all you can to be that person. If you care.
 
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Does your state allow the use of credit ratings for more than just loans?
Yes, when we got home insurance I believe they ran my credit which somehow is figured into my insurance score and I got an ultra low home insurance rate that I still cant believe it is real. I remember the agent saying something like, "this is very good" they put the policy out for bid and sat there at her computer as the insurance quotes came in from different companies. We live in a higher risk area near the coast.
She may have just wanted to see my credit score to know what she was in for. She made a positive comment at the time and here is an explanation. I did give my SS number.

It's all about risk and personal responsibility if you really think about it.

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Source - https://www.transunion.com/industry...aqs#accordiongroup-0112dfbd49-item-e11f6dd0f1

There are 7 states that do not allow credit scores to be use in insurance score.
(no politics) I rather have my insurance cost based on my personal responsibility.
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Source - https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-...ict-the-use-of-credit-based-insurance-scores/
 
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