Federal is introducing a new cartridge

its killing me what pistol that is, one would think the goofy triangular slide would narrow it down, it has a Nighthawk vibe to it...

also is this going to require a special breach face and who among the 1911 makers is going to go to the trouble and who is going to try to use a 9mm one...
 
...it has a Nighthawk vibe to it...

Nailed it.

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So its like a $4500.00 pistol.

https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry.html

I'll wait for Dan Wesson or Colt to do their version.
 
I agree, this caliber looks like a solution that won't work to a problem that doesn't exist. The other reason to avoid this caliber is the gun itself. My life might depend on a daily carry pistol, so I wouldn't use one that hasn't passed LEO and military testing. It's a good way to have confidence that it will always go BANG when you squeeze the trigger, no matter what under any conditions, and it will never go BANG otherwise.
I feel like this describes pretty much any new cartridge that comes out at this point..
 
Obsolete in 5 years.
Seems like that is about the mean life. Sometimes rounds have a life...........but some of the rifle rounds lately especially..........

What do I know?..........6.8SPC, 9x25, 357Sig, .41Mag, etc............. got guns and barrels for them

That said, people actually thought the 10mm would be dead, and later said the .40SW was on the way out.........
 
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Even a pretty basic Super 38 load should out perform this out of a 5" barrel in both velocity and energy... Super 38 carries same capacity as 9mm, which is probably why Super 38 is notable absent from Federals literature.

It is interesting in a novelty kind of way to have 12 rounds in a single stack 1911 with 9mm performance but anyone who buys one better get at least a few thousand rounds of brass and anything else specific to it for when it fades away...
 
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Obsolete in 5 years.
Anyone remember how the 41 magnum was going to be the new hot round when it came out?
What is the popularity level of the 41 magnum today?

Like my .45 Winchester Magnum, think .357 Magnum is tough, to find try finding .45 Winchester Magnum ammunition today.
 
I'll just stick with 9x25.

You might wanna wear your ear plugs and your sunglasses, cause that round will make you go deaf and blind from the muzzle flash! That cartridge belches fire! 9x25 Dillon

Ballistic performance

Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy

90 gr (6 g) Gold Dot JHP 2,100 ft/s (640 m/s) 881 ft⋅lbf (1,194 J)

95 gr (6 g) FMJ 2,000 ft/s (610 m/s) 844 ft⋅lbf (1,144 J)

115 gr (7 g) Speer Gold Dot JHP 1,800 ft/s (550 m/s) 827 ft⋅lbf (1,121 J)

125 gr (8 g) FMJ-FP Match or Speer Gold Dot JHP 1,700 ft/s (520 m/s) 802 ft⋅lbf (1,087 J)

147 gr (10 g) FMJ-FP 1,495 ft/s (456 m/s) 730 ft⋅lbf (990 J)

Test barrel length: 6" (Lone Wolf SS 1:16" twist)

Source(s): DoubleTap Ammunition products page
 
I have to agree with the consensus. This is a solution to a non-existing problem. The video was a lot of marketing hype. What matters most is:
1) Reliability. New calibers in guns are inherently untested and therefore cannot be known to be as reliable. It's a maybe, which is not good enough for me for carry.
2) Accuracy. This tends to require practice, which equates to time shooting it and costs of ammo. This is probably a loser for a newcomer.
3) Ballistics. I saw nothing to suggest it performs 'better' than all the tried and true stuff, from .45 to 9x19. I am uncompelled.
4) Capacity. Eh. As others said, overwhelmingly (99%) most documented civilian defensive firearms uses have ZERO shots fired. None. NOT ONE>. The remaining 1% somewhere in the ~3 shots fired. And possibly a smidge of a % (way less than 1%) are a full on shootout of more than 10. The benefits of 13 rounds are vastly diminished and as others have pointed out possibly a legal and financial liability b/c you have to account for the misses. Each one might have a crime affixed to it.

Then you have the logistics costs of new guns, magazines, etc. And market support with many guns chambered in it, magazines for said guns, ammo, brass, powder, etc. I'm too heavily invested in all the other common calibers to bother switching for no perceived gains.

Let's look at all the "newer better" calibers that died or are struggling badly, in the last 20 years.
* .45 GAP, .327, 5.7, .357 Sig, All the WSM and WSSM chamberings (for rifles),etc... That ignores the overlaps of chambering that are very similar like 9x23, 7.62x25, Largo, and many others.

This is an answer to a question nobody asked nor needs.
 
I make it a point to NOT buy specialty calibers. I want something that manufacturers will churn out with runs in the millions. Then I don't have a problem sourcing it and crying about the price.
Yep ... same here. 9 mm, 380 Auto, .357/.38, 45 ACP. No odd-balls.
 
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I'm not seeing anything to get too excited about here. Yeah, it's a new cartridge, and new cartridges are always fun. At least to a point. But many come with more issues then they solve. Ammunition availability and cost are at the head of the list. Just ask anyone who bought a .45 GAP Glock. Or any of these short, fat wonder cartridges. (Remington Ultra Mags, or the Winchester WSSM's). Most have flopped commercially, making guns, ammo, and brass difficult to find. And expensive when you do.

It's advertised as, "More capacity than a 9 MM, More effective than a .380". Yes and no. If you're after both, simply carry any double stack 9 of your choice, with high performance self defense ammunition. There are plenty of double stack 9's out there, manufactured by everyone and their brother, that even small handed individuals can hold comfortably, and shoot accurately.

If you can control a 9 MM with high performance ammo, (which most anyone can with even the slightest bit of training and practice), this isn't going to offer you much of anything.

As was mentioned, I put this into the category of a solution looking for a problem. They're attempting to create a one that in reality doesn't exist, in order to sell it. You reach a saturation point with both pistol and rifle cartridges, where the market becomes fully soaked, and won't absorb any more.... Unless it's something really revolutionary. This isn't it.

Even the .40 S&W came out of the gate blazing, and sold very well. (Smith & Wesson made millions off it in the 90's). Then it slowly died off, as modern 9 MM self defense ammunition vastly improved. Which in turn somewhat diminished it's overall performance in comparison.

With that said, I congratulate Federal for taking the risk. I hope they get some type of reward from it all.
 
Might be an alternative to recoil sensitive types. But I'm with the majority here most new cartridges fail, especially the last few decades since most every hole has already been filled by 5 candidates.

Then again some make it, the 6.5 Creedmore for example is hot and here to stay.
 
Sadly, I do!

But still, I was a wee 'un, and your Volvos must be much older than mine. ;)
Mine is a 1997 960. After reading the forums I'm going to keep her for a while, the newer ones will put you in the poor house if you own them long enough.
 
Might be an alternative to recoil sensitive types. But I'm with the majority here most new cartridges fail, especially the last few decades since most every hole has already been filled by 5 candidates.

Then again some make it, the 6.5 Creedmore for example is hot and here to stay.
6.5 creedmore is a great round. But new? It does just what the 6.5x55 did 126 years ago.
 
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