Exxon/Mobil now supplying Super Tech oil
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Several months ago someone called WPP and was told by a "chemist" that their synthetic was a group IV. Thought I'd throw that in there for further obfuscation. Maybe it is Mobil 1 in there after all-- although the add levels certainly don't indicate that.
Speaking of throwing things in, my apologies for spelling "threw" as "through" in my last post. Sinapses must not have been working....
Speaking of throwing things in, my apologies for spelling "threw" as "through" in my last post. Sinapses must not have been working....
Synapses...
BTW, an "old" quart bottle of DC I have on hand (gotta remember to use these two bottles...) and purchased just after "SL" became the newest API designation of wonderfulness states that "Mobile Drive Clean works to:
-Reduce deposit formation even under extreme operating condition
-Resist oxidation and thickening
-Provide excellent wear protection"
I could be wrong, but these claims suggest to me that this goes quite beyond the capabilities of Group I base stocks' qualities. (In fact the presence of residual highly polar aromatics and sulfer-containing compounds in Group I base stocks is completely at odds with the first two points. Dunno about the third.) I figured the back-of-the-bottle blather indicated, at the very least, DC has an improved detergent/dispersant package and perhaps even a significant Group II content, too.
[ June 25, 2004, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Ray H ]
It seems like the Mobil DC ranks in the Valvoline All-Climate catergory. Their generally good reputations are hanging on from the past, but the Group-I junk and lack of additive package leave a lot to be desired. At least the Mobil oil is priced around $1/qt, where valvoline is $1.79/qt. I would choose mobil over valvoline.
For dino, I'd choose the current SuperTech supplier over both.
Maybe Wal-Mart has learned of the great UOA's Chevron Supreme has put up and has switched there ST to blue bottles.Maybe they are doing the old 'bait and switch' with the Chevron and ST.In doing so,maybe they think people will buy the ST thinking it is Chevron made,since it is in the blue bottle
.This is not really meant to be taken seriously though.However,Wal-Mart is very good at marketing their products.
have you guys looked in wally world lately? I was just in there tonight and all grades except 15w40 were in the new bottles... I don't like them as much as the old ones, and why did they go up to .88 a quart? sucky...
oh and
saw Castrol GTX Start up. costs more than their syntec blend.. I don't get it
oh and
saw Castrol GTX Start up. costs more than their syntec blend.. I don't get it
Was at WalMart yesterday in the fine Bowling Green, KY weather. The nasty storms outside gave me time to look around...
WPP is stamped on all old and new ST oil bottles. The price is up to $0.88/qt. 4 cents is probably because the supplier needs a bit more margin to work with. I don't believe that Mobil is supplying ST oil at this time...it's still WPP/Mag.
Also, Well stocked with M1 products! Finally found 0w-20 that wasn't full price. Castrol's products prices were up while Pennzoil's prices were down on dino oils. Seems like the price game that was mentioned previously...one goes down, but another goes up.
Oh yeah, and that orange wall of doom is getting bigger.
WPP is stamped on all old and new ST oil bottles. The price is up to $0.88/qt. 4 cents is probably because the supplier needs a bit more margin to work with. I don't believe that Mobil is supplying ST oil at this time...it's still WPP/Mag.
Also, Well stocked with M1 products! Finally found 0w-20 that wasn't full price. Castrol's products prices were up while Pennzoil's prices were down on dino oils. Seems like the price game that was mentioned previously...one goes down, but another goes up.
Oh yeah, and that orange wall of doom is getting bigger.
"Mobil is supplying ST oil at this time...it's still WPP/Mag."
I asked before if anyone knows what WPP's (previous?) base stocks were? My suspicion would be that WPP agreed to supply Wal-Mart with oil that met SL specs and that any changes in formulations would be Warren's call, probably using the least expensive stocks they could find that would meet the standards. Note that this is not a knock, I use the stuff.
I asked before if anyone knows what WPP's (previous?) base stocks were? My suspicion would be that WPP agreed to supply Wal-Mart with oil that met SL specs and that any changes in formulations would be Warren's call, probably using the least expensive stocks they could find that would meet the standards. Note that this is not a knock, I use the stuff.
I saw the new bottles at my Wal-Mart for the first time. IMO, the only difference is the color of the bottle and the new label. The bottle is still marked on the bottom "WPP." Warren is still making this oil and the bottles it's in, irrespective of who supplies the base oil.
And for anyone who thinks they changed the color of the bottle because they changed base oil suppliers, I own some land in Florida I can let you have real cheap. Just call me toll free at 1-800-GET-REAL.
And for anyone who thinks they changed the color of the bottle because they changed base oil suppliers, I own some land in Florida I can let you have real cheap. Just call me toll free at 1-800-GET-REAL.
Obviously you have never studied corporate psychology.quote:
Originally posted by G-Man II:
I saw the new bottles at my Wal-Mart for the first time. IMO, the only difference is the color of the bottle and the new label. The bottle is still marked on the bottom "WPP." Warren is still making this oil and the bottles it's in, irrespective of who supplies the base oil.
And for anyone who thinks they changed the color of the bottle because they changed base oil suppliers, I own some land in Florida I can let you have real cheap. Just call me toll free at 1-800-GET-REAL.
Conversation follows:
"We have a great new product so we must have a great new container!".
"A new bottling machine costs @#$%!"
"@#$%!"
"Okay, how about just a new color?"
"Great Idea! It doesnt cost much and we can just tack that in with the price increase we say we need for the new basestock and increased crude prices!"
"@#$! straight!"
Gene
Obvously, you don't know much about oil blenders and their products. A different base oil doesn't constitute a new product, it's simply business as usual. Example: Even after Pennzoil's joint venture refinery with Conoco was fully online, Pennzoil still purchased Group II and II+ base oil from Chevron. Do you think they had a different bottle color for the oil made with Chevron base oil?
Actually, Wal-mart has already changed the motor oils' package colors at least once, and they also changed the package and filter color of the SuperTech oil filters by Champion Labs. Remember the "high mileage" oil came in with a new color. It would be entirely like them to produce a new color and package, especially when they introduce the SM series. Maybe not, but it wouldn't be inconsistent for their own branding.
G-man II, as for any "land in Florida:" SOLD!
G-man II, as for any "land in Florida:" SOLD!
Mobil
WOW---did I ever open a can of worms!!!
Nahhhh! We both just love to argg.... ahhh... debate! Yeah, Thats the ticket!... Now, which side was I on???
Gene
Why all the concern over who makes the base stocks for Wal-Mart? Wally sets a specification and companies bid on the volume. Maker A, B, or C may be the successful bidder - who cares, if will be made to the Wal-Mart spec. Bids go out for the additive package speced by Wal-Mart, and finally a packager is selected.
The whole product, base oil, additive package, and packaging are speced by Wal-Mart. And what Wal-Mart wants Wal-Mart gets.
So if Wal-Mart specs a decent oil that is what we will get no matter who the components come from.
From my experience (non scientific) Wal-Mart generally does a pretty good job with house brands - kind of middle of the road - reasonable value for the price paid.
The whole product, base oil, additive package, and packaging are speced by Wal-Mart. And what Wal-Mart wants Wal-Mart gets.
So if Wal-Mart specs a decent oil that is what we will get no matter who the components come from.
From my experience (non scientific) Wal-Mart generally does a pretty good job with house brands - kind of middle of the road - reasonable value for the price paid.
I agree with Gene:Of course never mind that some of the majors supply different formulations under the same name (US vs German Castrol Syntec and various Shell come to mind) and change Formulas at the drop of the hat with no notice to the consumer (ie Pennzoil LongLife is now just rebottled Shell Rotella T). And exactly how many different formulas of Mobil 1 10W-30 have existed?
Anyway to save some $ and fool the public doing it they will. Its a very cutthrout bussiness.
I like the land in FL. though.
Anyway to save some $ and fool the public doing it they will. Its a very cutthrout bussiness.
I HIGHLY doubt Wal-mart specs any additive package. The Wal-Mart specification probably just says "API SL motor oil". Do you really think Wal-Mart is equipped to design and qualify thier own special blend?
My guess is they do just that and buy from the lowest bidder...
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