Extended Oil Change Test

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Here is a little background before I get into my test. I am borderline obsessive compulsive (probably like most of you on this board). I am absolutely fanatical about the maintenance of my vehicles. I have always been this way with oil changes, etc. I also build budgets/forecast for a living and a year or two ago, I decided I was wasting a lot of money by changing my oil so often (every 3 months or 3k). Here is my rational. First, every car my family has ever owned ran well over 100k before we sold it. This includes several cars with carbs that were never tuned with 1970/80 tolerances, engine designs and oil. My point, with fuel injection and the advance in engines along with the advance in oil, is a 3k oil change still necessary. I don’t think it is necessary at all. Why? Two factors: 1. Today’s engines with FI and efficient combustion chambers burn significantly cleaner reducing the contamination of the oil and 2. I will sell the car long/long/long before the engine is remotely worn out. I usually by my cars new and drive them for 100k to 120k. Am I really going to own my car for 250K? No.

So, here is my test. I am still a little biased by using quality oil (Mobile 1) and quality filters (Puralotor One). A true test would be cheap oil and filter, but my obsessive tendencies will not allow me to do it. I am only changing my oil in the following intervals for the following vehicles:

1. 2000 F-150 4x4 with 5.4 – It only has 60k on the odometer. I used to change the oil every 3 months (less than 2k at times) until 2005. In July 2005, I decided to only change the oil twice a year regardless of mileage (November and May). This vehicle is driven short distances most of the time in traffic. I have put 4k on since the last oil change because of two long trips and the oil looks really clean (it actually surprised me) compared to the 5th month the prior 2 times. Below is the oil change chart I put together.

2. 2001 Windstar with 3.8 – It has 80k on the odometer and I change the oil every 7,500k or 6 months. This car is driven both on short commutes and long family trips. I have not noticed any change in how the vehicle runs since starting this at in 2005 (I think about 30k miles). I will add oil change chart when the car arrives back tonight.

3. 2006 Altima 2.5 – I have changed the oil at 4,222 and at 10,819. I will continue to change the oil every 6k until the warranty runs out and will probably go to 7,500 to 10,000. My wife drives about 24k a year – 90% highway.

My bet is that I will see no noticeable difference in oil consumption, engine smoothness, blowing smoke, etc. Then I will unload the cars at 100k to 120k and will see no difference in resale value (you may look for at that stuff, but most people don’t). They will test drive the vehicle and see that it runs smooth and doesn’t smoke. And I will be completely honest about the maintenance of the vehicles. Plus, I will have probably saved a minimum of $500 in oil changes.

What are your thoughts?

Oil change chart for the truck:
2000 F-150 4x4
Date of Change Mileage Mileage Interval Notes
7/23/2000 1,069
8/27/2000 2,625 1,556
11/1/2000 5,107 2,482
2/15/2001 7,714 2,607
6/21/2001 10,520 2,806
11/13/2001 13,230 2,710
4/14/2002 16,419 3,189
7/29/2002 18,538 2,119
8/15/2002 21,634 3,096
2/22/2003 23,347 1,713
4/25/2003 25,254 1,907
8/24/2003 28,609 3,355
12/14/2003 31,093 2,484
2/21/2004 32,328 1,235
5/27/2004 36,142 3,814 Switched to Mobile 1
11/24/2004 39,667 3,525
3/7/2005 42,857 3,190
7/1/2005 47,082 4,225 Switched to twice a yr
11/21/2005 50,779 3,697
5/14/2006 53,966 3,187
 
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Borderline OC, yeah right !! Like borderline pregnant.
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I agree, your extended OCI's will be a money saver and your vehicles will perform well for you.
 
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Interestingly I also have a F150 and Windstar, and also buy new and typically sell at 100 to 120K miles and about 10 years. I think your thoughts are valid, but there may be an even better option. Stick with the short changes 3-4K, but use a good conventional oil. Valvoline 5w20 looks like a good one to me.
 
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Interestingly I also have a F150 and Windstar, and also buy new and typically sell at 100 to 120K miles and about 10 years. I think your thoughts are valid, but there may be an even better option. Stick with the short changes 3-4K, but use a good conventional oil. Valvoline 5w20 looks like a good one to me.




I thought about that this; however, with kids that are 6,4, and 3 my time is getting pretty scarce. I feel better about the extended oil change intervals using a synthetic oil and good filter.
 
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I think you'll end up saving money. =-)

I'm not anal about oil changes any more. My cars I do on a mileage interval (regular oil), my truck (Mobil 1) gets its oil changed in the fall and in the spring regardless of mileage. When its head gasket blew a few years ago, the insides still looked machine shop fresh with some 60k miles on a rebuild. My work truck gets its oil changed when the OLM comes on (5100 miles seems to be the magic number for it).

Alex.
 
Below is the oil change chart for the Windstar. For a while, I didn't change my own oil and my wife canceled an appointment and didn't tell me (imagine that) that caused the 7.1k interval in 03. With that said, this vehicle has seen the fewest oil changes I have ever owned and it runs like a top and hasn't require additional oil despite the last two oil changes at 7.4k. The rule for this car will be 7.5k or 6 months. The OLM light always comes on at 5k regardless how you drive (highway or city); therefore, I tend to ignore mine. I figure this experiment will last the next 4 or 5 years. I believe I will see no noticable difference in performance/reliability.

2001 Windstar
Date of Change Mileage Mileage Interval Notes
8/19/2001 1,143
10/16/2001 4,262 3,119
3/25/2002 7,858 3,596
4/17/2002 12,149 4,291
3/25/2003 19,272 7,123
8/24/2003 23,844 4,572
12/14/2003 27,520 3,676
3/28/2004 31,191 3,671
10/2/2004 36,510 5,319 Switched to Mobile 1
2/7/2005 40,881 4,371
5/1/2005 45,683 4,802
7/1/2005 50,817 5,134
8/11/2005 55,662 4,845
11/5/2005 60,653 4,991
2/12/2006 68,060 7,407
7/14/2006 75,472 7,412
 
Being around this site for a few years, I also believe you will not see any differences in engine life as long as the oil you choose is changed in reasonable intervals according to your driving habits. If I'm doubting an oil/oci combo, I will do a used oil analysis. Here's my situation to compare.

1992 Mitsubishi mirage 134k miles; cheap coastal conventional oil; change ever 3k miles/6 months. it will take six months to get 3k miles out of this old ride. driven 15 miles plus at every startup

1996 Pontiac Sunfire 138k miles high mileage oil; change every 5k/6 months. I use thicker grade of high mileage oil with this one because of oil usage with reg conventional 1 qt/3k miles; it seems to have slowed it down. long trip 10 miles and up vehicle.

my dad's 2003 Nissan Sentra 72k miles; first 65k was all highway miles in two years; oil choice was 5k interval with conventional which ended up being an oil change every 2 months; coolant leak since off the lot and driving conditions changed since his life changed. short trip driving. Use syn blend with oil change every six months/3k miles because of the short trips. This is a car that I was very tempted to do full syn/1 yr oil changes. however, since the coolant leak, I'm glad I didn't! A used oil analysis is very important to do before starting any long oil change regimen to make sure your engine is not getting blasted with coolant.

2006 Pontiac vibe 5800 miles on odometer; I put havoline syn in this car at 2770 miles; 6.5 months old. will do a used oil analysis on this car. long trip vehicle with 24 miles driven at each startup. I'm using syn for the first time in this new 06 vibe, but since we drive only max of 10k/yr. It was a good choice for me.

I'll be doing 7-8 oil changes a year for four vehicles. This isn't counting any other maintenance that isn't called for like coolant changes, transmission fluid changes, etc. This site is great because it has saved me time and money. I'm not here to find the best oil, but the best oil for the price, driving conditions, and engine.
 
If you are so O/C, I'd suggest you do some research on that 2.5 Engine in the Altima.

Has it been cleared in the recall?



And it's MOBIL 1.
 
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If you are so O/C, I'd suggest you do some research on that 2.5 Engine in the Altima.

And it's MOBIL 1.




Has it been cleared in the recall?



Got the recall and I check the oil every week. No noticable oil consumption. The letter stated they would do more research and get back with us. I am extremely happy with the car.

Plus, I let the rings break in before I switched to Mobil 1 and switched at 4.2k. So for, so good.
 
It's been a long time since this post; but, here are my results. Keep in mind, I originally posted this in 2006 when 3K was the "normal oil change interval".

Sold F-150 and purchased a 05 Pathfinder with 25K. I traded it in with 145K on the Pathfinder changing the oil every 6.4K with a oil filter every other oil change until 90K and then went to every third oil change. I used Supertech Syn 10/30 or 5/30. Engine ran fine no noticeable oil consumption (2 quart in 1500 miles. (I live in Kansas City)

06 Altima - changed every 6K with no issues - Rotella Syn - sold at 78K

01 Winstar - Oil change average 4.7K over life...had two 7K oil changes with one being 7.5K. Conventional until I switched to Mobil 1 at 37K. Sold with 105K; no oil consumption.

Currently driving a 2015 Tacoma. Bought new and now I have 70K on it (21K/year), I do change the oil every 5K due to hauling/towing and I change the filter every oil change. I am really surprised that it doesn't use oil pulling my tow hauler (4,000 lbs to 4.6K depending if the bike is in the back). I tow in 4th and have to run 3rd at 4K+ RPMs up steeper hills to maintain speed. I run Supertech syn and various filters (cheap). Fram/Supertech and the last two oil changes I have run Motocraft from Walmart (its cheap).

Conclusion: I was over maintaining my cars. With that said, I probably still am over maintaining them. My girlfiend's/kid's car, I change the oil every 5 with conventional Supertech and cheap filter.

I went back to changing my filter every oil change because I went to the cheapest filters vs. Purolator One. I can by 3 cheap filter vs. one "quality" filter.

With my Truck, I run it hard with towing and hauling and figure it might justify the syn oil. I plan on keeping it for 200K and will report back then.

Just my experience.
 
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