Extended OC switch to FRAM

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Hi everyone, I just wanted to ask if anyone is familiar with the FRAM Extended Guard filters designed for 7k Mi Oil change intervals. Heres the Description.

FRAM’s 7,000 mile oil filter specifically designed for today’s longer change intervals. Synthetic blend media backed by a metal screen for uniform pleating, durability and optimum oil flow. 70% more capacity vs. leading competitors' average. http://www.fram.com/products/oilFilters.php
Local Walmart $9.90

I searched the forums and came up with 0. Im looking to skip an oil change and go for a 6k mi change for my 00 Dodge dakota 4.7L v8. Currently I run Mobil 1 with a Pure One($5.50) filter every 3K mi. Im hoping to switch to Mobil 1 Ep.
I know that many recommend using a regular filter including a Pure 1 for extended periods, But I feel better knowing there is a filer that adver a longer use than norm.

Oh I Currently run 10w30 yr round since Vehicle was new. But I am considering running 5w30 for our new england winters, is this ok I read jumping for weight to weight might not be good for the engine. Thanks for any Recommendations!!
 
the 05 4.7's use 5w30 so yours should have no problem with it Many people use the pure one's and sometimes the premium plus's with no problems personnaly I would just go with a pure one.
 
I'd like to get something easily available to me. Can your really leave an oil filter on for that long?? I Also feel that may be too long for a filter. 6k for a filter is not that bad in my opinion.
 
I would much rather have the Pure One on my engine than a Fram of any design. The Pure One will easily do that milage. Running 5w30 in the winter is also a good idea.
 
A PureOne will make 6k/6months without breaking a sweat. So will the Mobil 1 ..EP or otherwise.

I think that a 10w30 synth is thinner than a 5w30 dino at colder temps (at least some)...so don't change it just for your NuWingland wintahs.

Waiahbouts ah yah, anyway?
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Im looking to skip an oil change and go for a 6k mi change for my 00 Dodge dakota 4.7L v8. I know that many recommend using a regular filter including a Pure 1 for extended periods, But I feel better knowing there is a filer that adver a longer use than norm.
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Dak, FRAM does a VERY good job at marketing. The only thing they are doing with the XG line is making a filter which is now the equal of most of the other filters out there (instead of their usual inferior product), and charging a premium price for it. You can just as safely run a NAPA Gold/Wix (same thing), Motorcraft, AC Delco, Purolator, etc. the same distance for less than half the money. Although there is a strong FoF (Fear of FRAM) here, the XG IS a decent filter and you can run it with no worries, you're just paying more than necessary for a filter that is NOT superior. Heck, I run SuperTech filters for 5,000 miles with no problems; why do you want to pay more than 5X for a filter that's only marginally better?
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I Currently run 10w30 yr round since Vehicle was new. But I am considering running 5w30 for our new england winters, is this ok I read jumping for weight to weight might not be good for the engine.
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No worries here...going from a 10w30 to a 5w30 is not "jumping weight", you're simply adjusting for driving conditions, and that's a GOOD thing.
 
Strange responses to the question. Not many responses are based on any data.

The XG is completely different than a Pure One, Wix, Mobil 1, etc. It is All synthetic with a wire mesh backing. Most filters are a cellulose/synthetic blend. So to say that it is not superior to other filters is completely baseless. How do you know it is not superior?

Having said all that, the real proof will be when we get some UOA's with particle counts. We have seen some particle counts with the Mobil 1 filters and they are very good. They seem to do some filtering all the way down to 10-15 micron. I have not seen many particle counts on anything else. I have not seen particle counts on Pure One so we do not know if they compare to M1 filters. If you are really looking for the "best" filtering ability it will probably be with Mobil 1, Purolator Pure One, Amsoil Ea or maybe even Fram XG. However, we really do not know at this point.

I have Fram XG on my truck and will do a particle count when I do my next oil change (in a couple months). I like the design with the metal screen backing the filter material. I think it will reduce flow resistance because the pleats will not press together.

Again, I do not think there is any data to say that Fram XG is any better/worse than any other filter. However, it is a fairly unique design that has potential to be a better filter.
 
I went on the Fram web site link to look at the filters. The xg don't look bad but when you go on the tough guard they show you a nice picture of the cardboard end caps!!
 
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The XG is completely different than a Pure One, Wix, Mobil 1, etc. It is All synthetic with a wire mesh backing. Most filters are a cellulose/synthetic blend. So to say that it is not superior to other filters is completely baseless. How do you know it is not superior?
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That may be true, Winston. I think that the main resistance to the XG ..and M1 for that matter, is price driven. In the confines of the OCI's that are typical ..or even extended (for our little group here) ..you're paying 50%+ for the limited added utility of the finer filtraton.

Second place isn't that far behind and the cost is at a whopping discount.

btw-I've got a UOA being processed with a PureOne over a 13month 9k OCI. PC will be tested ..but I don't expect it to be too pretty given the mixed usage service over that time frame
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I take any company's ads with a grain of salt. They are obviously biased. Lies in advertising are legion. On my 03 Ford Ranger, I decided to let the filter go the whole 10,000 mi. on the first installment of Mobil 1, which I switched to with 9,000 mi. on the truck. When I changed the Ranger oil and filter last month after 10,000 mi. on the Mobil 1, I set the filter aside for a week or so and let the excess oil drain out. Then I cut the filter in half to inspect the insides (it was a Purolator Premium Plus) and to try to determine if it was too clogged to do its job. I'm not an expert at the matter, but everything looked ok. No tears, holes, etc., in the filtering media. The filtering media was of course black with oil, but no heavy or large particles of anything on it; in fact no small particles that I could see. I don't know if this is a good test of its filtering ability after 10,000 miles of use, but I put the filter media to my lips and was able to blow through it even though I blew very gently, no harder than you'd breath when you breath normally, and the air went right through easily. I'm going to run the Mobil 1 and Purolator Pure One filter (which I understand is a bit better than the Purolator Premium Plus) I installed last month for 10,000 mi. and then have Blackstone do a UOA on the oil. Then I'm going to switch to Mobil 1 EP.
 
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..you're paying 50%+ for the limited added utility of the finer filtraton.
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Aahhh. but this is where personal preference comes in. Some are willing to pay an extra $4.50 a quart for the "limited added utility" that synthetic oil provides. With these $10 filters you are paying an extra $7-8 per oil change for the "limited added utility of finer filtration". I for one, am willing to pay that for finer filtration. It just bothers me when people say that one brand of filter is just as good as another when we do not have any particle counts to confirm that. (not that particle counts would actually positively confirm anything, but right now we only have, dissections, and mfg. claims to compare filters) This is especially true when comparing something like an XG to a Wix, they are completely different filters.
 
I agree with Winston.

Further, the Oil Filter Study rated the Fram XG as having "very good filtration and above average flow", which is a pretty nice combination. That is certainly a better rating than some of the common popular filters that are frequently touted.

The Fram XG definitely is expensive. But for guys trying to extend OCI and that are changing filters 2 or 4 times a year - big deal ! So you spend 40 bucks a year instead of 15 bucks a year on filters. I fail to see the financial incentive when you're trying to protect a $3000 or $4000 motor. It's false economy.

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Aahhh. but this is where personal preference comes in. Some are willing to pay an extra $4.50 a quart for the "limited added utility" that synthetic oil provides. With these $10 filters you are paying an extra $7-8 per oil change for the "limited added utility of finer filtration".
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Good point. I imagine that there is even a "punitive" aspect to the shunning of the XG line. Something along the lines of "you've been boning me for decades ..and NOW you come up with a decent filter that's even more expensive then the lame stuff you've been vending??". So I guess it would be more of a "brand disloyalty" than anything of true substance.

You're correct, when it comes to oil with fancier bells and whistles, we don't whine too much in terms of costs (for those who assign any worth to higher cost oils). There are many here that use M1 and change it out every 3k/3m. On the otherhand there are those who wouldn't go 10k on anything but an upper tier oil
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The filter seems to have the distinction of getting assigned "value" on a cost/benefit basis. Most of us, in either case, are (probably) just polishing fine gems to begin with. There are very few turds out there.
 
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