The Federal law states it is unlawful to intentionally vent refrigerant.....doesn't distinguish individual or other. As said in here, although you may not get caught, it's still way irresponsible.
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The only reason you would have to intentionally vent it if you have overcharged the system in the first place! As far as evacuating it real when you open the system to replace component, please take it to a place which can take the refrigerant out. Take it back to them for refill, they might credit you for your extraction.
As far as overcharging is concerned, don't be greedy. That way, you will never overcharge it.
As far as overcharging is concerned, don't be greedy. That way, you will never overcharge it.
+1 No reason to EVER overcharge an ac system.....if you do, then you don't know what you're doing and should quietly back away from your refrigerant source.
I just want someone to explain how it is illegal, unethical, kills baby seals, etc. to vent R134a from my home or auto A/C when I can go down to Staples and buy a 3 pack of air duster which is R134a and its sole existence is to be vented. Read the MSDS on air dusters if you don't believe me.
I don't think I've ever read where baby seals are dying from venting refrigerant. yep, the cans are just as bad I suppose.....doesn't make it right though does it.
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
It's a law....maybe not unlike a lot of the other stupid laws the government creates.
Ever wonder why ammonia was discontinued as a refrigerant? Because it was "bad" for us and toxic? That.....and the fact it was inexpensive.....companies could make more money on the new-fangled refrigerant (that is much more efficient too) and the government could make more from taxes....a matter of simple arithmatic>
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
It's a law....maybe not unlike a lot of the other stupid laws the government creates.
Ever wonder why ammonia was discontinued as a refrigerant? Because it was "bad" for us and toxic? That.....and the fact it was inexpensive.....companies could make more money on the new-fangled refrigerant (that is much more efficient too) and the government could make more from taxes....a matter of simple arithmatic>
I don't think I've ever read where baby seals are dying from venting refrigerant. yep, the cans are just as bad I suppose.....doesn't make it right though does it.
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
It's a law....maybe not unlike a lot of the other stupid laws the government creates.
Ever wonder why ammonia was discontinued as a refrigerant? Because it was "bad" for us and toxic? That.....and the fact it was inexpensive.....companies could make more money on the new-fangled refrigerant (that is much more efficient too) and the government could make more from taxes....a matter of simple arithmatic.
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
It's a law....maybe not unlike a lot of the other stupid laws the government creates.
Ever wonder why ammonia was discontinued as a refrigerant? Because it was "bad" for us and toxic? That.....and the fact it was inexpensive.....companies could make more money on the new-fangled refrigerant (that is much more efficient too) and the government could make more from taxes....a matter of simple arithmatic.
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Originally Posted By: Donald
I was at a place and the shop owner came back to the guy and said it was butane in the system and they refused to work on it. Years ago shady places were pulling out R12 and installing butane and it would work fine. Owner never knew until he had it serviced.
I also knew of people using propane.
My auto teacher said he knew of a woman who lit a cigarette in her car, and the explosion hurt her and shattered the windows of her car. Somebody got sued and had to pay a huge price for that.
I was at a place and the shop owner came back to the guy and said it was butane in the system and they refused to work on it. Years ago shady places were pulling out R12 and installing butane and it would work fine. Owner never knew until he had it serviced.
I also knew of people using propane.
My auto teacher said he knew of a woman who lit a cigarette in her car, and the explosion hurt her and shattered the windows of her car. Somebody got sued and had to pay a huge price for that.
Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
R134a refrigerant has no Ozone Depleting Potential= Zero.
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
R134a refrigerant has no Ozone Depleting Potential= Zero.
Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
I don't think I've ever read where baby seals are dying from venting refrigerant. yep, the cans are just as bad I suppose.....doesn't make it right though does it.
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
I get whatyou are saying and that's the case for R12. I just cannot see how it's bad to vent R134a from an AC system yet it's perfectly OK to buy the exact same chemical at the store (maybe with a scent added to deter huffers) that is solely designed to vent to the atmosphere. Makes no sense at all as either way that same chemical is getting into the atmosphere. I would completely agree with it if you couldn't buy the same chmecial whose sole purpose is to be vented.
I think if you follow the money on most refrigerants the main reason we switch is because patents expire. IIRC R12's patents were expiring about the same time it was found to be ozone depleting. R134a's is about to expire and hence the desire to switch away from it....
I don't think I've ever read where baby seals are dying from venting refrigerant. yep, the cans are just as bad I suppose.....doesn't make it right though does it.
I think the law was created to prevent numerous, uncontrolled release of known ozone-destroying chemicals....if you don't care, then don't. You're not going to live long enough to suffer the consequences anyway.....your great-great-great grandchildren....maybe.
I get whatyou are saying and that's the case for R12. I just cannot see how it's bad to vent R134a from an AC system yet it's perfectly OK to buy the exact same chemical at the store (maybe with a scent added to deter huffers) that is solely designed to vent to the atmosphere. Makes no sense at all as either way that same chemical is getting into the atmosphere. I would completely agree with it if you couldn't buy the same chmecial whose sole purpose is to be vented.
I think if you follow the money on most refrigerants the main reason we switch is because patents expire. IIRC R12's patents were expiring about the same time it was found to be ozone depleting. R134a's is about to expire and hence the desire to switch away from it....
Maybe those reasons too....IDK. Most of the ozone-depleting worries were people venting CFC's rather than HFC's....that's one of the reasons the R134a "changeover kits" became so popular.
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Originally Posted By: artificialist
My auto teacher said he knew of a woman who lit a cigarette in her car, and the explosion hurt her and shattered the windows of her car. Somebody got sued and had to pay a huge price for that.
I doubt this happened. The only documented case of a propane refrigerant fire is with a Porsche some years ago.
My auto teacher said he knew of a woman who lit a cigarette in her car, and the explosion hurt her and shattered the windows of her car. Somebody got sued and had to pay a huge price for that.
I doubt this happened. The only documented case of a propane refrigerant fire is with a Porsche some years ago.
Originally Posted By: itguy08
R134a patent is about to expire and hence the desire to switch away from it....
Any attack on R134a is coming from the continuing Global Warming scam.
The argument is R134a doesn't deplete ozone but contributes to so called Climate Change.
You see, first they claim mankind made a hole in the ozone layer with the evil HFC's such as R12, then we fix the hole. Ah ha, but then the earth gets too warm they say, so something has to be done about that or we're all going to die, and on and on...
R134a patent is about to expire and hence the desire to switch away from it....
Any attack on R134a is coming from the continuing Global Warming scam.
The argument is R134a doesn't deplete ozone but contributes to so called Climate Change.
You see, first they claim mankind made a hole in the ozone layer with the evil HFC's such as R12, then we fix the hole. Ah ha, but then the earth gets too warm they say, so something has to be done about that or we're all going to die, and on and on...
the government knows what is best for us and they will take care of us.....uh, um, oh yeah.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread....74857#post74857
Great thread from a guy on the A body forum (GM, not Mopar) using computer dust spray, it works!!
Video one, initial test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkBnhcyO3Y&feature=youtu.be
Video two, his second car he put it in! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4uAXDyICsA
Great thread from a guy on the A body forum (GM, not Mopar) using computer dust spray, it works!!
Video one, initial test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkBnhcyO3Y&feature=youtu.be
Video two, his second car he put it in! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4uAXDyICsA
Originally Posted By: babyivan
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread....74857#post74857
Great thread from a guy on the A body forum (GM, not Mopar) using computer dust spray, it works!!
Video one, initial test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkBnhcyO3Y&feature=youtu.be
Video two, his second car he put it in! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4uAXDyICsA
I can get R134a for about $6 a can at my local Rural King. I'm not sure why he's saying it's $18 a can.
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread....74857#post74857
Great thread from a guy on the A body forum (GM, not Mopar) using computer dust spray, it works!!
Video one, initial test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkBnhcyO3Y&feature=youtu.be
Video two, his second car he put it in! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4uAXDyICsA
I can get R134a for about $6 a can at my local Rural King. I'm not sure why he's saying it's $18 a can.
Kestas
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Do they still make air dusters from r134a? I thought that was a thing of the past.
Originally Posted By: MarkM66
Originally Posted By: babyivan
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread....74857#post74857
Great thread from a guy on the A body forum (GM, not Mopar) using computer dust spray, it works!!
Video one, initial test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkBnhcyO3Y&feature=youtu.be
Video two, his second car he put it in! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4uAXDyICsA
I can get R134a for about $6 a can at my local Rural King. I'm not sure why he's saying it's $18 a can.
I was thinking the same thing. I just bought two 12oz cans of R134a for $5.50 each at our local Blain's Farm & Fleet.
Originally Posted By: babyivan
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread....74857#post74857
Great thread from a guy on the A body forum (GM, not Mopar) using computer dust spray, it works!!
Video one, initial test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkBnhcyO3Y&feature=youtu.be
Video two, his second car he put it in! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4uAXDyICsA
I can get R134a for about $6 a can at my local Rural King. I'm not sure why he's saying it's $18 a can.
I was thinking the same thing. I just bought two 12oz cans of R134a for $5.50 each at our local Blain's Farm & Fleet.
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