EV charging example costs more than it would to fill up a premium fuel car

Yeah, Im shocked but not completely as the station themselves sets the cost of charging. Being skeptical I kind of wonder what these stand alone charging stations will charge without nearby competition as EV become more popular. Most people who live in a home with only one EV will charge at home, assuming they arent taking trips.
With roughly half the country living in condos or apartments or families with more than one EV, for many charging at home is not an option.
Not that it applies in 99% of the world, but my daughter who lives in LA is telling me that many rental properties are now offer EV charging as one of the features of living there.
 
Not that it applies in 99% of the world, but my daughter who lives in LA is telling me that many rental properties are now offer EV charging as one of the features of living there.
Yes, I suspect it will be an easy perk to offer prospective renters and condo owners. Still fresh in its infancy, only time will tell if they stay properly maintained, not that I think they wont but it will make me wonder.
 
Travelers in EV's beware. Add figuring out multiple KWH rates along with finding physical locations of charging stations... vs. gassing up at fuel stations anywhere and everywhere with price per gallon prominently displayed on illumoinated signs you can read a block away.

Early on a decade ago this was challenging.

Now it's a cinch. The cars route and plan for you, and there are excellent 3rd party apps.
 
It did not take more than 2 brain cells to figure out once they get more of these vehicles on the road people are going to get bent over but good and proper without so much as a little kiss. The people that support this crap and the politicians that go along with this lunacy get everything they deserve and much more. The problem is those of us that knew better got the Arschkarte right along with em. JMHO
 
In theory it cost less to buy flour than to buy pasta, but in reality if you are trying to buy 00 flour from a boutique store vs buying pasta from a discount outlet trying to get rid of surplus, you will be able to buy your pasta cheaper than flour.

Does that make sense now?
 
It would have no effect at home.

On the road some chargers are priced by max theoretical speed. 150 vs 350 with 150 being cheaper by the KWH.
Ive also seen variable rates on the same charger but that seems to have gone by the wayside.

Quit often the car wont be able to take the max rate anyway if charging begins above X % SOC.

The Ultium cars showed this massive dip early on.
I dont know what the latest is on them all, this curve would suggest that if you pull into a charger at 50% or greater SOC you might as well use the lower rate charger IF its cheaper because the car wouldn't take anything above 150 anyway.



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That is an insane amount of electricity. Your home would require an 800A service to get 190kW, assuming is was 240V feed.
 
I’ve charged at an Electrify America in Wisconsin and they charged by minutes vs. kWh. So it actually ended up being quite cheap. Not sure why it’s like that there, but most are by kWh.
 
What's interesting about those charging rate graphs is the so-called "Partial Peak" from 9pm to midnight. That's not because demand is high, it's because solar output is low. You wouldn't demand is higher in the middle of the night.

TLDR "partial peak" is a misnomer.
Peak: AC and daily activities, duck curve
Semi Peak: Less / No AC and daily activities
Charging time: only industrial and vehicles charging.
 
Just wait until we all have smart meters and the utilities start charging a "high consumption rate" surcharge. Just wild speculation on my part, but I 100% guarantee that I'm not the first to come up with the idea... Start drawing more than 40 amps at a time and you'll pay a higher rate. Plug in your Tesla and have furnace running at the same time, pay extra. Take a shower while charging your Rivian, pay extra.
We already have it here. The "high consumption rate" actually turns into time of use rate instead unless you opt to stay. I think for residential the tiered rate is likely an indication you use more during peak time.
 
I get what you are saying but government is not going to tell EV stations and do not tell gas stations what they can charge for fuel. It's a free market.
Speed limits are public owned roads.
I was thinking in a broader sense and could have stated it better. Government can implement policies/regulations/price controls. (NOT POLITICS, JUST GOVERNMENT 101) I would not be surprised if government stepped in during the early phase of EV to attempt a smoother transition.

Investopedia:
"Price controls are a form of government-mandated economic intervention. They are intended to make important purchases more affordable for consumers and are also commonly used to help steer the economy in a certain direction. For instance, these restrictions may be deemed necessary in order to curb inflation. Price controls are the opposite of prices set by market forces, which are determined by producers because of supply and demand.
Price controls are commonly imposed on consumer staples. These are essential items, such as food, rent, gasoline, or electricity. Controls set by the government may impose minimums or maximums. Price caps are referred to as price ceilings while minimum prices are called price floors."
 
I was thinking in a broader sense and could have stated it better. Government can implement policies/regulations/price controls. (NOT POLITICS, JUST GOVERNMENT METHODS) I would not be surprised if government stepped in during the early phase of EV to attempt a smoother transition.

Investopedia:
"Price controls are a form of government-mandated economic intervention. They are intended to make important purchases more affordable for consumers and are also commonly used to help steer the economy in a certain direction. For instance, these restrictions may be deemed necessary in order to curb inflation. Price controls are the opposite of prices set by market forces, which are determined by producers because of supply and demand.
Price controls are commonly imposed on consumer staples. These are essential items, such as food, rent, gasoline, or electricity. Controls set by the government may impose minimums or maximums. Price caps are referred to as price ceilings while minimum prices are called price floors."
Thanks for explaining.
Here is why I dont think it would ever happen. It would kill all incentives for anyone to go into setting up EV charging stations. I mean, it cost money, property, equipment and electric charges.
 
This. Some places have free chargers now. The town where I live has two of them downtown, and expensive Teslas are constantly on them for the freebie. Eventually these chargers will disappear and people will pay a premium to charge an EV away from home. Higher-than-normal electric rates for EV chargers have already appeared in Europe as well.
Nothing is free, especially energy. Those people using “free” chargers are leeches, perfectly fine with the local area charging their taxpayers and transferring their wealth thru subsidized charging. It’s a despicable practice along with all the other ways this is perpetrated.
 
Nothing is free, especially energy. Those people using “free” chargers are leeches, perfectly fine with the local area charging their taxpayers and transferring their wealth thru subsidized charging. It’s a despicable practice along with all the other ways this is perpetrated.
I dont agree. The voters allow this stuff and the people who can use it are taking it. Calling them leaches is placing the blame on them for accepting free stuff.
Just like the people took $4000 stimulus checks. Never heard anyone call those people leaches.
(no politics)
 
Just wait until we all have smart meters and the utilities start charging a "high consumption rate" surcharge. Just wild speculation on my part, but I 100% guarantee that I'm not the first to come up with the idea... Start drawing more than 40 amps at a time and you'll pay a higher rate. Plug in your Tesla and have furnace running at the same time, pay extra. Take a shower while charging your Rivian, pay extra.
It would be childs play for the vehicle app to interface with your breaker box or the utility HQ and throttle their charging until it was convenient for everybody. It's different than a timer because weather, and ergo AC load, or solar/ wind output, change.
 
Nothing is free, especially energy. Those people using “free” chargers are leeches, perfectly fine with the local area charging their taxpayers and transferring their wealth thru subsidized charging. It’s a despicable practice along with all the other ways this is perpetrated.
My state has free chargers that were paid for by the VW dieselgate settlement. When they'll stop being free is up in the air but it hasn't happened yet.
 
Nothing is free, especially energy. Those people using “free” chargers are leeches, perfectly fine with the local area charging their taxpayers and transferring their wealth thru subsidized charging. It’s a despicable practice along with all the other ways this is perpetrated.

So the fact the building owner /management offers free charging to tenants (and the public for that matter) makes me a leech?

Or using a charger at a grocer that places free charging stations in their parking lot makes me a leech?

Building management / ownership pays the electric bill. The electricity is not free. The taxpayer certainly is not paying that bill either.

Ownership has made its choices on what they do to keep tenants happy and to draw in customers.

Frankly, not using free services in that case would be the "interesting" choice...
 
Where is the station, the rate for each, $/kwh, $/gallon premium, and he talks too fast like a salesman, skipping facts. Not to mention how they were driven for the 180 miles. If the Cadillac uses 1 kwh to go 3 miles that’s 60 kwh over 180 miles. If it’s 40 cents per kwh it comes to $24.
 
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