EV charging example costs more than it would to fill up a premium fuel car
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I guess this is like a beer at home is under a buck and a beer at the game is 18 bucks.
Plenty of times I've seen a lone gas station with higher prices, Free market so they can charge what they want. Might not sell much if high.
Just wait until we all have smart meters and the utilities start charging a "high consumption rate" surcharge. Just wild speculation on my part, but I 100% guarantee that I'm not the first to come up with the idea... Start drawing more than 40 amps at a time and you'll pay a higher rate. Plug in your Tesla and have furnace running at the same time, pay extra. Take a shower while charging your Rivian, pay extra.
It would have no effect at home.
On the road some chargers are priced by max theoretical speed. 150 vs 350 with 150 being cheaper by the KWH.
Ive also seen variable rates on the same charger but that seems to have gone by the wayside.
Quit often the car wont be able to take the max rate anyway if charging begins above X % SOC.
The Ultium cars showed this massive dip early on.
I dont know what the latest is on them all, this curve would suggest that if you pull into a charger at 50% or greater SOC you might as well use the lower rate charger IF its cheaper because the car wouldn't take anything above 150 anyway.
So your not paying by the cost of electricity (kWh) your paying by time or how whatever the owner wants to charge?
Do any places charge by the kWh of actual electricity you are filling up with?
It did cost more in this particular case...
Same as buying gas - you have to pay attention to pricing.
I own a plug in Hybrid, and there are places I won't bother charging precisely because it will cost more than the gas I put in it.
On the flip side, charging at my employer is free (and open to the public - yes these stations exist!) and charging at home costs 1/3rd of what the same miles cost using gas...
Same as buying gas - you have to pay attention to pricing.
I own a plug in Hybrid, and there are places I won't bother charging precisely because it will cost more than the gas I put in it.
On the flip side, charging at my employer is free (and open to the public - yes these stations exist!) and charging at home costs 1/3rd of what the same miles cost using gas...
Its good for the public to know
It's whatever the owner of the charger wants to bill you on.
Most often it's fixed per KWH regardless of time or charge rate.
The time component is most often used as an incentive to move you off a spigot, in the case of tesla an idle fee if you go to a restaurant and stay parked once at 100%.
Change takes time. We are in the infancy of EV vehicles. It's going to take decades to reach some sort of viable system.
Not politics, but with some things, government regulation is required (I.E., what if we had zero speed limits) vs. letting the free market run it's course. Will be interesting times for sure.
Not politics, but with some things, government regulation is required (I.E., what if we had zero speed limits) vs. letting the free market run it's course. Will be interesting times for sure.
oh... and here I Was thinking if I got an EV I can stay parked at charging station at the beach all day at no cost *LOL*
( I just informed my wife)
Not only that but sometimes an EV parking space is the only open one!
As I mentioned above, the public probably didnt ask the question to themselves or the salesperson in the first place. I cant say this is the fault of anyone except the buyer and their own lack of understanding of economics and how EVs are frankly a bad deal imo. We also know how honest car salesfolk are, so why would they point out the obvious by insulting the buyers intelligence
Many models of pricing:
-Free
-By kWh only
-A fixed fee + kWh
-kWh + some grace period after charging ends, then pay by time
-kWh + time connected
The time component is often used as an incentive to get you off the charger as fast as possible. I usually see this in high demand areas or in parking lots (looking at you City of St Paul / Parking Ramps in St Paul - that's why I don't charge when I drive in for Wild games despite my ramp having like 6 open chargers -the fee is much higher than what using gas would cost me.)
Travelers in EV's beware. Add figuring out multiple KWH rates along with finding physical locations of charging stations... vs. gassing up at fuel stations anywhere and everywhere with price per gallon prominently displayed on illumoinated signs you can read a block away.
I get what you are saying but government is not going to tell EV stations and do not tell gas stations what they can charge for fuel. It's a free market.
Speed limits are public owned roads.
This is good to know, FYI if we ever had an EV it would be a charge at home. But it is interesting and something I was not aware of. I knew there might be costs after all the EV charge station needs to make money. Never imagined it can run as much or more than gas.
(dont know if I am the only one but BITOG is running wonky right now)
Let the buyer beware, and do his/her homework. Not everyone has solar panels and charges at home "for free." Once the thrill is over and gas stations are installing chargers, along with stores etc. they'll charge to charge, the going rate or more, whatever the market will bear. Then people will pay like they do for just about everything else in life. Many will cry foul too, but remember it's a free market, and it will be for charging an EV.
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But his point is the cost to charge at home in California is very high. Let's say the Caddy has a 140kWh battery that is fully depleted, even if you schedule it to charge overnight, that's $43.40. If you charge it between 4 and 9pm it's $86.80.
Ontario has ultra-low overnight rates for charging EV's of $0.028/kWh, but of course the on-peak price is higher, but still about 1/3rd of Cali's, less if you factor in the exchange rate:
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