European vs American Formulas

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
This isn't "lawyer full employment" stuff, it's designed to keep large corporate entities from trying to steamroll individual owners


Bwahahahahaha! Did you keep a straight face when posting that?


I did. Are you so naive as to believe that you can litigate on even terms with GM, Ford, Toyota, or whoever? Do you have enough cash in your cookie jar to buy or rent a substitute car while the maker of your car draws your wty lawsuit out over four or five years? The only way to stop a large corporation from doing so, is to make them pay for doing so in cases where they should just pay up front. I've done what I do for fifteen years. In virtually every instance of a "David and Goliath" situation, without an atty fee provision, the standard litigation tactic for "Goliath" is to drag it out so that it's just too expensive for "David" to persist. So, which large corporation owns you?

 

[moribundman]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
This isn't "lawyer full employment" stuff, it's designed to keep large corporate entities from trying to steamroll individual owners


Bwahahahahaha! Did you keep a straight face when posting that?


I did. Are you so naive as to believe that you can litigate on even terms with GM, Ford, Toyota, or whoever?


No, you misunderstood my amusement. I know it's lawyer full employment stuff.

 

[ekpolk]

Mori:

I've never in my five years here had a problem with you, and I really don't want to change that. I did not misunderstand your post.

With all due respect, you're either factually incorrect, or you've been reading too much of that "tort reform" nonsense that comes and goes from time to time.

I am a member of several state-wide attorney professional organizations (other than the FL Bar itself). I can count on one hand (with maybe a finger or two from the second) the number of Florida lawyers who do more than an average of one or two MMWA or LL cases in a year. Please feel free to enlighten me about how that constitutes "full employment".

 

[Mustang2008Z]

I would love to be able to cruise on the highways at 100 mph all day; however here there is a different mindset. Speeding produces accidents and lots of income for the local community.

The real statistics may not bear this out, that speeding is the culprit, I think the last yearly statistics published, stated that the rate per some Thousand/Million miles has actually gone down, and the speeds on our nations highways have gone up, until the price of gasoline went sky high last year, and then demand for gas fell apart....lol

 

[Mustang2008Z]

"I Can't drive 55." What a wonderful song, because I just can't drive that slow...Period...

 

[ekpolk]

Originally Posted By: Mustang2008Z
"I Can't drive 55." What a wonderful song, because I just can't drive that slow...Period...

I still love the line from an old Jim Croce song, "95 is the route you were on -- it was not the speed limit sign..."

 

[moribundman]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
I can count on one hand (with maybe a finger or two from the second) the number of Florida lawyers who do more than an average of one or two MMWA or LL cases in a year. Please feel free to enlighten me about how that constitutes "full employment".

You thought I was talking about you.

In order to even have a chance against a large company WITH FULL TIME LAWYERS AMONG THEIR STAFF, the individual MUST EFFECTIVELY EMPLOY THE SERVICES OF LEGAL COUNCIL in turn. It's a neat system, benefitting everyone -- more or less.

As for car manufacturers requiring specific lubricants to satisfy warranty requirements, I don't have an issue with that.

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
If you misquote me, please supply a link to what I didn't post.

No. I'm an American ..and that's just the way we do things here. When all else fails, consult the documentation. It's not just a defect, it's an attitude to live by.

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: opposite_locker

Chrysler has recommended 5w20 for all its cars except for the SRT models, which are supposed to run Mobil 1 0w40.


I did not know that. Are they the only domestics that spec 0W-40? That's definitely the oil I would have guessed the ZR1 would need.

I wonder if the 0W-40 got spec'd as a result of Daimler's ownership of Chrysler? In other words, had they owned GM the Corvette would have been factory filled with it? Just a thought.

The full listing of Chrysler LLC "factory fill" users of 0W-40 Mobil 1 European Formula is as follows...

SRT8: 6.1L
SRT10: 8.3L & 8.4L
Crossfire & SRT6
2.8L diesel (KJ)

So, it isn't really a case of everything but SRT models specifying 5W-20.

 

[opposite_locker]

True, that was an over-generalized statement. They also do recommend 5w30 in the heavy duty trucks with Hemi and no MDS, and these just happen to not have any affect on CAFE.

Chrysler does recommend 5w20 in the majority of their vehicles, but only in this country AFAIK.

 

[Art_Vandelay]

Originally Posted By: rshunter
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: opposite_locker

Chrysler has recommended 5w20 for all its cars except for the SRT models, which are supposed to run Mobil 1 0w40.


I did not know that. Are they the only domestics that spec 0W-40? That's definitely the oil I would have guessed the ZR1 would need.

I wonder if the 0W-40 got spec'd as a result of Daimler's ownership of Chrysler? In other words, had they owned GM the Corvette would have been factory filled with it? Just a thought.

The full listing of Chrysler LLC "factory fill" users of 0W-40 Mobil 1 European Formula is as follows...

SRT8: 6.1L
SRT10: 8.3L & 8.4L
Crossfire & SRT6
2.8L diesel (KJ)

So, it isn't really a case of everything but SRT models specifying 5W-20.


Thanks for posting that.

Nothing from GM or Ford ever called for 0W-40? What does Ford recommend for the GT?

 

[Ben99GT]

Ford recommends 5W-50 in both the FGT and GT500.

http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.co...ory=Motor%20Oil

 

[rshunter]

It's not just a European thing, either. The factory fill for the Nissan GT-R is also Mobil 1 European Formula 0W-40.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: opposite_locker

Chrysler has recommended 5w20 for all its cars except for the SRT models, which are supposed to run Mobil 1 0w40.


I did not know that. Are they the only domestics that spec 0W-40? That's definitely the oil I would have guessed the ZR1 would need.

I wonder if the 0W-40 got spec'd as a result of Daimler's ownership of Chrysler? In other words, had they owned GM the Corvette would have been factory filled with it? Just a thought.

The full listing of Chrysler LLC "factory fill" users of 0W-40 Mobil 1 European Formula is as follows...

SRT8: 6.1L
SRT10: 8.3L & 8.4L
Crossfire & SRT6
2.8L diesel (KJ)

So, it isn't really a case of everything but SRT models specifying 5W-20.


Thanks for posting that.

Nothing from GM or Ford ever called for 0W-40? What does Ford recommend for the GT?



Art ..and I'm just curious here in my observations in your seeking of knowledge ..aka: learning curve ...so don't look at it as a criticism. Given my propensity for being misunderstood

Do you own a vehicle with a higher specific output like any of the aforementioned exceptional powerplants?

What I'm wondering is if you're seeking justification for using a heavier than spec'd fluid.

That's what my tea leaf readings are screaming at me.

 

[Art_Vandelay]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
Originally Posted By: opposite_locker

Chrysler has recommended 5w20 for all its cars except for the SRT models, which are supposed to run Mobil 1 0w40.


I did not know that. Are they the only domestics that spec 0W-40? That's definitely the oil I would have guessed the ZR1 would need.

I wonder if the 0W-40 got spec'd as a result of Daimler's ownership of Chrysler? In other words, had they owned GM the Corvette would have been factory filled with it? Just a thought.

The full listing of Chrysler LLC "factory fill" users of 0W-40 Mobil 1 European Formula is as follows...

SRT8: 6.1L
SRT10: 8.3L & 8.4L
Crossfire & SRT6
2.8L diesel (KJ)

So, it isn't really a case of everything but SRT models specifying 5W-20.


Thanks for posting that.

Nothing from GM or Ford ever called for 0W-40? What does Ford recommend for the GT?



Art ..and I'm just curious here in my observations in your seeking of knowledge ..aka: learning curve ...so don't look at it as a criticism. Given my propensity for being misunderstood

Do you own a vehicle with a higher specific output like any of the aforementioned exceptional powerplants?

What I'm wondering is if you're seeking justification for using a heavier than spec'd fluid.

That's what my tea leaf readings are screaming at me.


No I do not. I just like the topic. You really think if I had some high end vehicle, I wanted to use thicker oil in, I'd conceal that question within another?

 

[Gary Allan]

Just asking, Art. People tend to make full evolutions when arriving at (frequently) desired destinations.

I like the topic too, but one must concede that someone who has full faith in factory recommendations would probably direct their input toward that end ..navigating it in that direction. Someone with lighter leanings would tend to take it in that direction ..and those with thicker leanings ..in another.

I just noted that you've highlighted exceptions to the lighter weight recommendations and was curious about what motivated it.

Trust me, it's not a criticism ..it was just an observation with a question attached to it.