EU may limit all cars to 70MPH??
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Oh great. This world already has enough of this.
Imagine if every vehicle on the interstate was equipped like the semis, where one that is limited to 65.1 miles per hour passes another semi that is limited to 65.0 miles an hour.... and backs up both lanes of a two lane interstate for 10 minutes while he does it?
Imagine if every vehicle on the interstate was equipped like the semis, where one that is limited to 65.1 miles per hour passes another semi that is limited to 65.0 miles an hour.... and backs up both lanes of a two lane interstate for 10 minutes while he does it?
How many of you remember the 55mph national speed limit? It was a total farce and made driving any length of distances miserable. If the EU wants to limit the speed limit to 70mph don't limit the vehicle speed but enforce the speed limit. As said previously sometimes to avoid an accident you need speed. Just another example of government wanting to control your life as THEY feel it should be.
Whimsey
Whimsey
Oh wait, I thought the EU was simply the European Economic Community. But, it looks like that they've morphed into central control.
Since we here in the states have speed limits over 70MPH in some locations, this plan would need to be modified here.
First off, the federal government does not have constitutional authority for such a rule. The best they could do is to "encourage" each state to implement such a thing.
Rather than slowing people down, we ought to be looking at ways to efficiently travel faster and safer. It's clear that we can easily travel at 100MPH without issue.
Caddy promoted this form of high speed travel years ago. Limited access highways are perfect for this.
Since we here in the states have speed limits over 70MPH in some locations, this plan would need to be modified here.
First off, the federal government does not have constitutional authority for such a rule. The best they could do is to "encourage" each state to implement such a thing.
Rather than slowing people down, we ought to be looking at ways to efficiently travel faster and safer. It's clear that we can easily travel at 100MPH without issue.
Caddy promoted this form of high speed travel years ago. Limited access highways are perfect for this.
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Oh wait, I thought the EU was simply the European Economic Community. But, it looks like that they've morphed into central control.
Wake up. That changed with the masstricht treaty in 92. And have becom more and more ever since.
Oh wait, I thought the EU was simply the European Economic Community. But, it looks like that they've morphed into central control.
Wake up. That changed with the masstricht treaty in 92. And have becom more and more ever since.
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Pure idiocy !
Originally Posted By: tig1
If so, this shows some common since for once on European highways.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road...d-limiters.html
I only quickly read the link, but just because it was proposed, does it mean they are seriously looking at it? I'm sure there are bills that go before Congress for the most odd things which die quick deaths.
If so, this shows some common since for once on European highways.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road...d-limiters.html
I only quickly read the link, but just because it was proposed, does it mean they are seriously looking at it? I'm sure there are bills that go before Congress for the most odd things which die quick deaths.
Originally Posted By: hypervish
Well we can be sure this won't happen in the US. Speeding tickets bring in ton's of money, can't see them stopping speed traps, etc.
Where are most tickets handed out? Pretty sure the cops could hang out in every 45/55mph zone on the highway, let alone every long/straight stretch of 50-55mph country road.
Well we can be sure this won't happen in the US. Speeding tickets bring in ton's of money, can't see them stopping speed traps, etc.
Where are most tickets handed out? Pretty sure the cops could hang out in every 45/55mph zone on the highway, let alone every long/straight stretch of 50-55mph country road.
The Germans will never go along with this, and the Italians will just play lip service.
Come on an F car that tops out at 70? Yeah sure.
Come on an F car that tops out at 70? Yeah sure.
Originally Posted By: earlyre
haven't all euro cars been electronically limited to 150mph for years now? and please correct me if i'm wrong, but there's not an external limiter, it's programmed into the ECU?
and yes, i realize the new proposal would be 1/2 the speed of the current limitations, just trying to point out, they wouldn't need to add any parts to the cars, just change a few lines of code in the ECU.
A lot of German cars are capped at 155 or 135 depending on tires, and it was a handshake agreement so its usually ignored and easily removed.
Realistically tires are the limiter which is why AMG caps them around 190 for the big sedans.
haven't all euro cars been electronically limited to 150mph for years now? and please correct me if i'm wrong, but there's not an external limiter, it's programmed into the ECU?
and yes, i realize the new proposal would be 1/2 the speed of the current limitations, just trying to point out, they wouldn't need to add any parts to the cars, just change a few lines of code in the ECU.
A lot of German cars are capped at 155 or 135 depending on tires, and it was a handshake agreement so its usually ignored and easily removed.
Realistically tires are the limiter which is why AMG caps them around 190 for the big sedans.
Originally Posted By: Whimsey
How many of you remember the 55mph national speed limit? It was a total farce and made driving any length of distances miserable. If the EU wants to limit the speed limit to 70mph don't limit the vehicle speed but enforce the speed limit. As said previously sometimes to avoid an accident you need speed. Just another example of government wanting to control your life as THEY feel it should be.
Whimsey
I remember it well. The only people who found it miserable are those who have to go 80. I wish they would bring the 55 SL back and enforce it. Too many lead foots out there.
How many of you remember the 55mph national speed limit? It was a total farce and made driving any length of distances miserable. If the EU wants to limit the speed limit to 70mph don't limit the vehicle speed but enforce the speed limit. As said previously sometimes to avoid an accident you need speed. Just another example of government wanting to control your life as THEY feel it should be.
Whimsey
I remember it well. The only people who found it miserable are those who have to go 80. I wish they would bring the 55 SL back and enforce it. Too many lead foots out there.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I remember it well. The only people who found it miserable are those who have to go 80. I wish they would bring the 55 SL back and enforce it. Too many lead foots out there.
Good one! That's a hysterical Joan Claybrook impression!!!
I remember it well. The only people who found it miserable are those who have to go 80. I wish they would bring the 55 SL back and enforce it. Too many lead foots out there.
Good one! That's a hysterical Joan Claybrook impression!!!
In the early 80's they had 85 mph speedometers, but my opinion is that the limit should be set to something more reasonable, like 85 mph. An example, I was passing a 50 mph Camry on a 2 lane, and he decided he wanted to "race" me while I was passing him. I had to get the Challenger to 85 to get around him. Had another car been coming and I had a 70 mph limit, the Camry would have been in the ditch lol.
Originally Posted By: earlyre
haven't all euro cars been electronically limited to 150mph for years now? and please correct me if i'm wrong, but there's not an external limiter, it's programmed into the ECU?
Our Xj8 is set really low - 121 or 122 mph. Thanks to the limiter, it's probably got the lowest top speed in my fleet, save for the S-10.
The decade older Xj12 is 155 or 158 mph, don't recall. It has no problem hitting it, though. The '8 is so much lighter, I expect it would bury the '12 but for that silly speed limiter.
Isn't the EU the same pinheads that mandate minimum hood heights on cars, and also killed off hood ornaments, to make it "safer" when a pedestrian gets run over? I seem to recall one of the new Jaguars having a hood that pops up when it senses a pedestrian strike so as to satisfy this crazy requirement.
haven't all euro cars been electronically limited to 150mph for years now? and please correct me if i'm wrong, but there's not an external limiter, it's programmed into the ECU?
Our Xj8 is set really low - 121 or 122 mph. Thanks to the limiter, it's probably got the lowest top speed in my fleet, save for the S-10.
The decade older Xj12 is 155 or 158 mph, don't recall. It has no problem hitting it, though. The '8 is so much lighter, I expect it would bury the '12 but for that silly speed limiter.
Isn't the EU the same pinheads that mandate minimum hood heights on cars, and also killed off hood ornaments, to make it "safer" when a pedestrian gets run over? I seem to recall one of the new Jaguars having a hood that pops up when it senses a pedestrian strike so as to satisfy this crazy requirement.
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Oh wait, I thought the EU was simply the European Economic Community. But, it looks like that they've morphed into central control.
Since we here in the states have speed limits over 70MPH in some locations, this plan would need to be modified here.
First off, the federal government does not have constitutional authority for such a rule. The best they could do is to "encourage" each state to implement such a thing.
Rather than slowing people down, we ought to be looking at ways to efficiently travel faster and safer. It's clear that we can easily travel at 100MPH without issue.
Caddy promoted this form of high speed travel years ago. Limited access highways are perfect for this.
Our federal government may or may not have the constitutional authority to set a national maximum speed limit, but it can do so anyway, as it has in the past.
There is a pretty good argument that the interstate system is used in interstate commerce and was built mainly with federal money, which would give the feds the authority to enact a federal statute.
Failing that, federal funds can be used to blackmail the states into compliance as has been done in many cases related and in no way related to speed limits in the past.
I'm not saying I'd advocate a national speed limit, but the federal government could clearly enact and enforce one, as it has in the past.
Oh wait, I thought the EU was simply the European Economic Community. But, it looks like that they've morphed into central control.
Since we here in the states have speed limits over 70MPH in some locations, this plan would need to be modified here.
First off, the federal government does not have constitutional authority for such a rule. The best they could do is to "encourage" each state to implement such a thing.
Rather than slowing people down, we ought to be looking at ways to efficiently travel faster and safer. It's clear that we can easily travel at 100MPH without issue.
Caddy promoted this form of high speed travel years ago. Limited access highways are perfect for this.
Our federal government may or may not have the constitutional authority to set a national maximum speed limit, but it can do so anyway, as it has in the past.
There is a pretty good argument that the interstate system is used in interstate commerce and was built mainly with federal money, which would give the feds the authority to enact a federal statute.
Failing that, federal funds can be used to blackmail the states into compliance as has been done in many cases related and in no way related to speed limits in the past.
I'm not saying I'd advocate a national speed limit, but the federal government could clearly enact and enforce one, as it has in the past.
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: earlyre
haven't all euro cars been electronically limited to 150mph for years now? and please correct me if i'm wrong, but there's not an external limiter, it's programmed into the ECU?
Our Xj8 is set really low - 121 or 122 mph. Thanks to the limiter, it's probably got the lowest top speed in my fleet, save for the S-10.
The decade older Xj12 is 155 or 158 mph, don't recall. It has no problem hitting it, though. The '8 is so much lighter, I expect it would bury the '12 but for that silly speed limiter.
Isn't the EU the same pinheads that mandate minimum hood heights on cars, and also killed off hood ornaments, to make it "safer" when a pedestrian gets run over? I seem to recall one of the new Jaguars having a hood that pops up when it senses a pedestrian strike so as to satisfy this crazy requirement.
Most likely, the XJ8 is limited because it had H-rated tires from the factory. (My Magnum was governed for the same reason.)
Originally Posted By: earlyre
haven't all euro cars been electronically limited to 150mph for years now? and please correct me if i'm wrong, but there's not an external limiter, it's programmed into the ECU?
Our Xj8 is set really low - 121 or 122 mph. Thanks to the limiter, it's probably got the lowest top speed in my fleet, save for the S-10.
The decade older Xj12 is 155 or 158 mph, don't recall. It has no problem hitting it, though. The '8 is so much lighter, I expect it would bury the '12 but for that silly speed limiter.
Isn't the EU the same pinheads that mandate minimum hood heights on cars, and also killed off hood ornaments, to make it "safer" when a pedestrian gets run over? I seem to recall one of the new Jaguars having a hood that pops up when it senses a pedestrian strike so as to satisfy this crazy requirement.
Most likely, the XJ8 is limited because it had H-rated tires from the factory. (My Magnum was governed for the same reason.)
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