Ethanol Goodness
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Originally Posted By: Capa
If you can avoid E10, then do so. It's a lose-lose position for everyone. It is heavily subsidized, factually produces less energy than real gas (between 3-5%), and raises the price of corn, which I personally love to grill.
And reduces air quality and increases health issues.
If you can avoid E10, then do so. It's a lose-lose position for everyone. It is heavily subsidized, factually produces less energy than real gas (between 3-5%), and raises the price of corn, which I personally love to grill.
And reduces air quality and increases health issues.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: Capa
If you can avoid E10, then do so. It's a lose-lose position for everyone. It is heavily subsidized, factually produces less energy than real gas (between 3-5%), and raises the price of corn, which I personally love to grill.
And reduces air quality and increases health issues.
Well,I didnt say this,but you can thank the environmentalists. Did I just say that? Yes somethings did need to change re;emissions. But this is not the answer. They dont need to put that junk in the fuel.especially when the vehicles run more efficient with out it.
Originally Posted By: Capa
If you can avoid E10, then do so. It's a lose-lose position for everyone. It is heavily subsidized, factually produces less energy than real gas (between 3-5%), and raises the price of corn, which I personally love to grill.
And reduces air quality and increases health issues.
Well,I didnt say this,but you can thank the environmentalists. Did I just say that? Yes somethings did need to change re;emissions. But this is not the answer. They dont need to put that junk in the fuel.especially when the vehicles run more efficient with out it.
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In Cali, we got ethanol in our gas and some areas like Sacramento/Davis/Tahoe/LA have [censored] natural gas buses that do more harm than good.
But most newer cars can handle ethanol. It's older ones that don't like it.
But most newer cars can handle ethanol. It's older ones that don't like it.
ethanol could be more efficient than it is now but almost all cars are flex fuel .. If I had an e85 pump in my hometown I would find a way to take advantage of it .. I am looking at it from a performance standpoint also.. the 85% ethanol allows for a much higher compression engine than the flex fuel cars do now .. flex fuel vehicles are a compromise because they can not take advantage of E85 .
Im not saying all gas should be E85 but E85 does give a boost to the gasoline industry because the 15% gas that is used in the E85 is considered junk gasoline not fit for normal gasoline road cars without more refinement .
from an racers stand point think of the following
environmental issues - E85 can be used in many race cars instead of "leaded" high octane race fuel that many racers are using.
and many race fuel uses additives that are illegal on road cars.
From a price standpoint to the racer race fuel can cost $5 a gallon or more ..
I wish we had a local station with E85
Im not saying all gas should be E85 but E85 does give a boost to the gasoline industry because the 15% gas that is used in the E85 is considered junk gasoline not fit for normal gasoline road cars without more refinement .
from an racers stand point think of the following
environmental issues - E85 can be used in many race cars instead of "leaded" high octane race fuel that many racers are using.
and many race fuel uses additives that are illegal on road cars.
From a price standpoint to the racer race fuel can cost $5 a gallon or more ..
I wish we had a local station with E85
isn't methanol and ethanol different ? its methanol that has toxic effects from what I understand .. Ethanol you can drink (moonshine) but methanol will kill you .. now vapors after combustion Im not sure about . but go ahead and breath your tailpipe exhaust and see how good gas is for you ..lol (dont do that just making a point)
Originally Posted By: clintster7
isn't methanol and ethanol different ? its methanol that has toxic effects from what I understand .. Ethanol you can drink (moonshine) but methanol will kill you .. now vapors after combustion Im not sure about . but go ahead and breath your tailpipe exhaust and see how good gas is for you ..lol (dont do that just making a point)
No, the combustion byproducts from burning ethanol are serious health hazards and even though gas isn't great, it apparently "is not as bad." Conservation and efficiency are the best routes to improve air quality at this point in time.
isn't methanol and ethanol different ? its methanol that has toxic effects from what I understand .. Ethanol you can drink (moonshine) but methanol will kill you .. now vapors after combustion Im not sure about . but go ahead and breath your tailpipe exhaust and see how good gas is for you ..lol (dont do that just making a point)
No, the combustion byproducts from burning ethanol are serious health hazards and even though gas isn't great, it apparently "is not as bad." Conservation and efficiency are the best routes to improve air quality at this point in time.
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Originally Posted By: nthach
some areas like Sacramento/Davis/Tahoe/LA have [censored] natural gas buses that do more harm than good.
please explain
More HC and CO2 emissions compared to diesel engines with DPF and with or without SCR. UC Davis and SFMTA(San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency) did a study on this in San Francisco.
Just like ethanol is a scam funded by ADM and the agrochem/GMO lobby - which is ironic that the agrochem business is wholly European by way of Bayer and Syngenta, I think natural gas as a motor vehicle fuel is a marionette manipulated by T. Boone Pickens and Honda(since Keihin makes a good bit of CNG gear).
Originally Posted By: nthach
some areas like Sacramento/Davis/Tahoe/LA have [censored] natural gas buses that do more harm than good.
please explain
More HC and CO2 emissions compared to diesel engines with DPF and with or without SCR. UC Davis and SFMTA(San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency) did a study on this in San Francisco.
Just like ethanol is a scam funded by ADM and the agrochem/GMO lobby - which is ironic that the agrochem business is wholly European by way of Bayer and Syngenta, I think natural gas as a motor vehicle fuel is a marionette manipulated by T. Boone Pickens and Honda(since Keihin makes a good bit of CNG gear).
good post.
You have to read beyond the headlines for that info.
Most peeps just want the quickie version.
You have to read beyond the headlines for that info.
Most peeps just want the quickie version.
Next time you see a tree hugger slap the owl poop out of him.
Originally Posted By: Mokanic
Next time you see a tree hugger slap the owl poop out of him.
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Then run him/her over with their hybrid.
Next time you see a tree hugger slap the owl poop out of him.
+1
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Mokanic
Next time you see a tree hugger slap the owl poop out of him.
+1
Then run him/her over with their hybrid.
And then bury them in a protected forest somewhere.
Originally Posted By: Mokanic
Next time you see a tree hugger slap the owl poop out of him.
+1
And then bury them in a protected forest somewhere.
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