Episode 050 | What I've Learned About the Lubricants Industry
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12:20 is interesting.
Broad agreement some of the test criteria is unnecessary and ill-advised. 4-ball wear is one.
Formulation is extremely boring. Most formulations are a result just calling one of the additive suppliers.
Additive companies do most of all the development and therefore commoditized the market.
12:20 is interesting.
Broad agreement some of the test criteria is unnecessary and ill-advised. 4-ball wear is one.
Formulation is extremely boring. Most formulations are a result just calling one of the additive suppliers.
Additive companies do most of all the development and therefore commoditized the market.
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I disagree with his statement on formulating oils. It is never boring because you are always planning, designing, formulating, and testing new oils for new or anticipated step ups in specifications.
Hard to understand and volume is too low on most of the videos.
Yeah he is Australian or New Zealander. I've been on the phone with work for a few decades and might have an unfair ear for Oceanic and SEA country languages. The material is dry also so I am grateful he separates out different topics.
I had one playing a few weeks ago, volume pegged out, can barelymake out what he was saying, half asleep. An ad came on, about blew out my ears as I slammed my knee into the desk in a full on fight mode attack!
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Is it not true though that most motor oil producers use off the shelf add packs that conform to whatever spec the customer is seeking to meet? For instance, a company contacts Afton and purchases a Dexos Gen 3 additive pack that is readily available.
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No not always. I have produced my own DI adpacks that in testing exceeded some of the big 5 additive packages.
One can take run-of-the-mill additive packs and boost it for certain performance enhancements.
Bur boring, no way.
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There are offshore additive manf. as well.
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Since "most" would include Mobil, Shell/Pennzoil/Quaker State and Castrol, all of which would have custom additive packages, I don't think that's accurate. I'd say that most generic oils use OTS additive packages from the majors. Oils like Supertech/Kirkland from Warren, RP API, probably AMSOIL OE and any other small blender that's selling an API-approved product.
JMHO.
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Aren’t Oronite and BASF two more ?
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BASF mostly supplies component chemistry, but does have some finished lubricants for Heavy industrial applications. RT Vanderbilt is another component chemistry supplier.
Oronite is one of my favorite suppliers for HDEO and gas engine oils, Type F ATF additives, 2-cycle, and hydraulic oil DI packages. They also supply some component chemistrys and "intermediate" chemistrys for further processing.
Oronite is one of my favorite suppliers for HDEO and gas engine oils, Type F ATF additives, 2-cycle, and hydraulic oil DI packages. They also supply some component chemistrys and "intermediate" chemistrys for further processing.
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