Engine Bearings/Low HTHS article review

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I was asked to review this article. I have purchased the article and here is my review:

Properties of Engine Bearings Lubricated with Low HTHS Viscosity Oils, Ono et al: Presented SAE oil Congress Detroit Feb., 1998, SAE 980702:

Tests were performed using experimental paraffin mineral based oils with SG, API rated additives. The 100 C k. viscosities were 5.6 to 10.6, HTHS was 1.8 to 3.0. Engine testing was done at 4,800 and 6,500 RPM with sump oil temperatures at 150 C and thermocouple monitored bearing temperatures at 180 C.

They concluded that the minimum oil film thickness needed to get “normal” wear was 1.4 - 1.6 micrometers. The Minimum HTHS at 150 C needed was 2.4 to 2.6. I also noted that the wear decreased with tighter bearings (less clearance) for the oils.
Whereas main bearing wear increased with the viscosity below 2.2 HTHS, the con-rod bearing showed virtually no wear at the lowest tested 1.8 oil. Of the 3 bearings types tested 2 showed minimal wear and only one was adversely affected by HTHS viscosity below 2.2.

Critical analysis:
The testing is over 8 years old now with SG, SH, SJ, SL oils by the wayside. If HTHS of 2.4 resulted in minimal wear ( in some bearings) with those experimental oils, what would the result be using today’s oils?

The test temperatures and RPM's were among the most severe. What would the test show, even back then, if the sump was kept at say 120 C. Also, the bearing temperatures were kept high artificially, to combat the additional cooling encountered with the thinner oils. All other things kept constant, wear increases with engine temperature.

How would modern, thin synthetic oils, perform in the same test? What would the test show if fully formulated SG oils were used instead of the experimental oils?

I thought it was a good paper but my conclusions are that thin oils today, especially synthetic oils, are not only safe, but preferred.

aehaas
 
Very interesting analysis. For some reason it reminds me of the article in Fortune (199?) I think written by Andy Grove about prostate cancer. He went to a lot of doctors of different fields and got so much conflicting advice that he went to the original studies and did his own analysis. Found that he reached totally different conclusions than the doctors that he had been consulting. The studies get quoted and requoted and it seems the findings get distorted. He said he went into it like he was back in college, did his own research before deciding on the best treatment. Funny thing was, when he elected to get the latest high tech surgery he found they were using computers with old 286 cpus! At the time Grove was CEO I think of Intel! A bit off topic maybe but
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I'd be careful relying on one study reviewed by a person with a obvious bias in making my oil choices. One could just as easily point to another study that showed top ring wear rate increased by the factor (3.5/HTHS)^2.15 for the HTHS viscosity range 2.7-3.5.
 
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Originally posted by 427Z06:
I'd be careful relying on one study reviewed by a person with a obvious bias in making my oil choices. One could just as easily point to another study that showed top ring wear rate increased by the factor (3.5/HTHS)^2.15 for the HTHS viscosity range 2.7-3.5.

Please show us the reference.

aehaas
 
Piston Assembly Friction and Wear: The Influence of Lubricant Viscometry from the proceedings of the International Tribology Conference, Yokohama 1995.

P.S. Anytime you present "facts", please show us your references too.
 
Were the engines tested at load? What type of engines? When they refered to con-rod bearins, were they refering to the small end, big end or both?
 
Thank you for the source. SAE TechSelect only goes back to 1998. This paper is from 1995.

The information can only be based on older oils and technologies and may not be accurate today.

Thanks for the speedy reply.

aehaas

Here are a few references:
Development of the Sequence IV A Valve Train Wear Lubrication Test:Part 1, Sagawa et al:
Viscosity data reveals that the more viscous oil did not significantly alter the cam angle of minimum oil film thickness. Of greater importance is the finding that the higher viscosity oil continued to exhibit boundary layer lubrication. (Ergo thicker is not necessarily better).
The effect of engine intake air humidity was significant so that tests are now done with specified humidity conditions.
It was postulated that fuel dilution of oil would elevate cam wear. Fuel dilution of 4.5 percent did not effect wear. (This would have the effect of lowering the viscosity about 1 grade).

The Effects of Crankcase Oil Viscosity on Engine Friction at Low Temperatures, Cockbill et al:
By using lower viscosity oils there is less friction, improved cold weather starting, improved fuel economy, a savings of starting system components and less wear by increasing the rate of oil pressurization and flow in the upper oil galleries.
 
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Originally posted by T-Keith:
Were the engines tested at load? What type of engines? When they refered to con-rod bearins, were they refering to the small end, big end or both?

Table 3: Test engine data:
2.0 L In-Line 6. Bore and stroke 75 x 75 mm
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Main bearing size: outer dia. x length x thickness
....59 x 18.5 x 2 or 21.5 mm
Con-rod bearing 47 x 16.5 x 1.5 mm
Load: Torque 59.5 N.m at 4,800 RPM

They were not more specific I am sorry.

aehaas
 
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Originally posted by AEHaas:
Thank you for the source. SAE TechSelect only goes back to 1998. This paper is from 1995.

The information can only be based on older oils and technologies and may not be accurate today.


May is the operative word here. Although there have been some recent improvements in lubrication technology, I don't believe all the improvements occured within the last 7 years. Further, what scientists discover in the labs might not automatically and immediately make it to market in all the OTC oils you may buy.

For example, one of our professional members here has stated he prefers the previous formulation of one of the most popular synthetics formulations commonly known. This is someone who analyzes real world results for a living.
 
I must admit that I am hanging on to my SL oils with higher ZDP levels too. However, articles I have presented show that 0.05 is actually enough. Red Line oils have very high ZDP yet used oil analysis do not show highly reduced wear. I do like them for racing but I use only M1 and Pennzoil mineral oils in my stables.

Sometimes new additives show up in new oils before we read about them, sometimes not.

aehaas
 
On the assumption that the engine manufacturer has considered these articles and current oil specs before recommending an oil for handbook, is it not a bit of a risk to drop viscosity from the manual as it could promote engine wear on a specific part within engine causing premature engine failure.

I have in mind BMW specifying a xX60 Oil.
 
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Originally posted by AEHaas:
I must admit that I am hanging on to my SL oils with higher ZDP levels too.

I have nearly 100 quarts of SL stashed. BTW, Citgo Ultralife (high mileage) has high zddp (I think around 1200 ppm each). Valvoline Synpower 5w40 in SM has SL levels of ZDDP (on sale at Pep Boys now).
 
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Originally posted by AEHaas:
Red Line oils have very high ZDP yet used oil analysis do not show highly reduced wear.

You obviously need to read up on the RedLine UOA vs. real wear debate. Hint: Amateurs may not be able to correctly interpret used oil analysis results as related to the finer points of wear.
 
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Originally posted by 427Z06:
Hint: Amateurs may not be able to correctly interpret used oil analysis results as related to the finer points of wear.

How do you get away with saying something like that? If I were to make such a comment, it would be promptly deleted.
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Not saying you're incorrect though...
 
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Originally posted by Jelly:
How do you get away with saying something like that? If I were to make such a comment, it would be promptly deleted.
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Large cash payments to the moderators.
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On the assumption that the engine manufacturer has considered these articles and current oil specs before recommending an oil for handbook, is it not a bit of a risk to drop viscosity from the manual as it could promote engine wear on a specific part within engine causing premature engine failure

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