Elon to announce the Model "C"

Elon's statement concerning the future compact version was that it would have "half the cost" (roughly) of the Models 3 and Y.
So I assume that it will still be ~ 28% profit margin but that will be ~28% of $30k or so. Less cash profit, but similar profit margin over the cost to build it. Even if that model makes a significant dent in the sales of the Models 3 and Y I don't think it will matter much. Tesla will be continuing to bring in massive amounts of cash from their new products or expansion of existing products.

I agree with Cujet's assessment of the SUV market. But we also know that for many consumers, an EV is a second vehicle.They may already own an SUV or pickup for boat or trailer hauling or a work vehicle. But for younger people, an "econobox" that doesn't cost a lot and will be used primarily for short commutes in an urban environment will be very practical in an EV form factor. So I predict that the new model won't really be competing with the popular SUV's but will fill a niche for low(er) cost urban commuters and low operating costs.

Where will it be built ? Maybe Shanghai. I saw on the news that they are getting ready for a massive expansion of the Berlin Gigfactory. And I think we will see an additional North American Gigafactory either in Canada or Mexico. And probably another European Gigafactory, possibly in Ireland, Or maybe in an Eastern European location known to have a skilled workforce like Poland or Czechoslovakia. Sooner or later we'll see one on the Indian subcontinent as well. We know that barring governmental interference or outside interference by environmentalists or other activists, Tesla can build a Gigafactory and have vehicles coming off of the assembly line in less than 1.5 years. Who else can do that ?
 
Tesla can build a Gigafactory and have vehicles coming off of the assembly line in less than 1.5 years. Who else can do that ?
Like you say, right now anyway, EVs might be a second car so plenty of room left for the legacy makers to get up to speed.
As far as "who else can do that"? Well, the game is just starting out so only time will tell, the whole world is copying Tesla and some have plans that maybe rather stiff competition in the future.
How about the Solid State Batteries, that might be a game changer for the SUV market. Also keep in mind giants like this.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a41559186/foxconn-ev-hatchback-ohio-factory/

Im in no way saying Tesla wont beat them all, heck I hope they do (or GM) but we are way too early in the game to know who will come out on top.
Todays EV technology will look like dinosaurs in 10 years. Just seems like overseas companies take over everything electronic. Even Teslas profit comes from overseas, last year as reported to the IRS no profit in USA operations, no corporate taxes paid.

https://www.foxconn.com/en-us/produ.../strategy-blueprint/electric-vehicle-platform
 
I thought the Model 3 was supposed to be the cheap one, but they sold very few at the $35K price and now don't even offer them that cheap, the least expensive model is $48,490. And they obfuscate the actual price on their website by saying you're getting a $6000 discount on gas savings.

I guess we'll see where the Model C ends up at.

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They should factor in the possible long term cost when the battery system takes a dump as that definitely outweighs any fuel cost by far...
 
They should factor in the possible long term cost when the battery system takes a dump as that definitely outweighs any fuel cost by far...
Tesla has been claiming that their batteries are good for "a million miles" for a while. I forget the exact number but data gathered so far says the batteries still have well over 60% of their original performance at 500,000 miles.

So the average owner will not be likely to drive or own the Tesla long enough to need a new (and very expensive) battery. And Tesla's plan is if and when those "worn out" batteries need to be replaced and recycled, they will still have considerable value. Like maybe another 20 years of service in their Powerwall systems ?
 
Henry Ford was shouted at for being "dumb" and "insane" for looking past riding a horse like a "normal person" for driving his gasoline powered car that he painstakingly built. Similar to Elon Musk, Ford was one of humankind's most successful people. Have you actually met any Tesla owners and listened to their love for their Teslas?
Yeah, and it's sickening to hear them state how great their vehicle is when the body panels don't line up. Or when several thousand owners had a message displayed on their screen that their vehicle wasn't compatible with the new software updates and it required a $1,500 hardware upgrade on their expense. There is a huge difference between people passionate about a brand ie Ferrari owners and cult followers ie Tesla owners.
 
Yeah, and it's sickening to hear them state how great their vehicle is when the body panels don't line up. Or when several thousand owners had a message displayed on their screen that their vehicle wasn't compatible with the new software updates and it required a $1,500 hardware upgrade on their expense. There is a huge difference between people passionate about a brand ie Ferrari owners and cult followers ie Tesla owners.
Do you think the first gasoline powered cars were without issues? Molehill, meet mountain.
 
They should factor in the possible long term cost when the battery system takes a dump as that definitely outweighs any fuel cost by far...

Are you sure about that?

Quote your sources so we can look at them.

We know tesla can recover 921KWH worth of material worth from a 1000KWH of batteries.
 
Do you think the first gasoline powered cars were without issues? Molehill, meet mountain.
Ford, Winton, Cadillac etc didn't pull taking away features and trying to resell i.e. yanking autopilot and getting caught when they tried to extort second hand customers
 
Are you sure about that?

Quote your sources so we can look at them.

We know tesla can recover 921KWH worth of material worth from a 1000KWH of batteries.
Unlike some in this world I don't buy into 'inflated sources' as I look at things in real world use/cost from my perspective. The gas nozzle will have to be pried out of these cold/dead hands. It continues to be entertaining to watch all the EV enthusiasm and all the issues that continue to arise. They've been at it at least a century now and might be another one before it might actually become practical/useful.
 
For a great many EV owners, their cars are practical/useful right now. But I certainly agree that it is going to be a long time until they really make up the majority of auto sales. And moronic mandates by politicians who are clueless regarding whether or not we are ready regarding the necessary infrastructure to support EV's only as our sources of transportation aren't going to change much.

If you were to look at a graph of EV development and progress over the last century, you would see a spike over the last 20 years going up faster than one of Elon's rockets. And most of that has come from the brilliant engineers at Tesla.

So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss how quickly the EV's are going to gain a much more substantial market share although not yet the majority. Changing driving habits are going to intersect the disadvantages vis-a-vis range and charging time faster than we will see 1000 mile ranges with a 15 minute recharge time. And for a lot of drivers the real world capabilities (and hopefully a good selection at more affordable price points) of EV's come about 2025 are going to be very attractive.
That isn't far away.
 
Yeah, and it's sickening to hear them state how great their vehicle is when the body panels don't line up. Or when several thousand owners had a message displayed on their screen that their vehicle wasn't compatible with the new software updates and it required a $1,500 hardware upgrade on their expense. There is a huge difference between people passionate about a brand ie Ferrari owners and cult followers ie Tesla owners.
Right, because Ford is falling all over themselves to give me the latest software features on my 2010 Navigator. I want the super cruise from the 2022 Navigators for free! Uh yeah not happening.

That said the fit and finish is a real issue, perhaps because Tesla has gone away from the Toyota lean six sigma production quality methods that most of the industry is using.
 
For a great many EV owners, their cars are practical/useful right now. But I certainly agree that it is going to be a long time until they really make up the majority of auto sales. And moronic mandates by politicians who are clueless regarding whether or not we are ready regarding the necessary infrastructure to support EV's only as our sources of transportation aren't going to change much.

If you were to look at a graph of EV development and progress over the last century, you would see a spike over the last 20 years going up faster than one of Elon's rockets. And most of that has come from the brilliant engineers at Tesla.

So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss how quickly the EV's are going to gain a much more substantial market share although not yet the majority. Changing driving habits are going to intersect the disadvantages vis-a-vis range and charging time faster than we will see 1000 mile ranges with a 15 minute recharge time. And for a lot of drivers the real world capabilities (and hopefully a good selection at more affordable price points) of EV's come about 2025 are going to be very attractive.
That isn't far away.
I was able to live with a borrowed EV pretty seamlessly for a week recently. And I don't even have a level 2 charger in my garage. I would gladly replace one of my ICE vehicles with one, when they reach price parity with gas models, and they're getting pretty close to that. Of course, being a BITOGer, I'm going to keep the cars I have until the wheels fall off.

I would say it's really in the last 10 years that the usefulness has taken off, as opposed to the 20 you mentioned. The first gen vehicles with less than 100 miles range were not useful, but Tesla has redefined the market and now there's an ever increasing amount of models with 250+ miles range.
 
Unlike some in this world I don't buy into 'inflated sources' as I look at things in real world use/cost from my perspective. The gas nozzle will have to be pried out of these cold/dead hands. It continues to be entertaining to watch all the EV enthusiasm and all the issues that continue to arise. They've been at it at least a century now and might be another one before it might actually become practical/useful.

So you have nothing to back your statement?

Everyone gets their own opinion, but putting opinion forward as fact is rightfully going to be challenged.
 
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So you have nothing to back your statement?

Everyone gets their own opinion, but putting opinion forward as fact is rightfully going to be challenged.
Thing is I will never trust claimed 'scientific data' as it rarely ever matches real world/every day use in most scenarios. At the end of the day you do you!
 
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