Elon to announce the Model "C"

[Skippy722]

"Set the temp to 70." "Cool down passenger."
"My butt is cold." "Passenger's butt is cold."
"Turn fan up."

There is also a voice command to direct air to your face; I will leve it up to readers if they are curious. A little risque...
And there are soooo many others.

We don't need no stinkin' buttons.

But off topic but… in a Tesla when you say “Set temp to 70” does it then blow 70F air or does it try to get the cabin to 70F? My last 2 vehicles with auto climate would try to get the cabin to 70F which ultimately ended up with me fighting it and setting it to some other ridiculous temperature. I want it to blow 70F air at me!

 

[JeffKeryk]

But off topic but… in a Tesla when you say “Set temp to 70” does it then blow 70F air or does it try to get the cabin to 70F? My last 2 vehicles with auto climate would try to get the cabin to 70F which ultimately ended up with me fighting it and setting it to some other ridiculous temperature. I want it to blow 70F air at me!

I imagine it is trying to set the cabin temp. Setting air temp, fan speed and direction is super simple. In Auto mode, the car will try to quickly get the cabin temp changed. Fan will blow on high, then moderate as the temp is achieved.

 

[Torrid]

For those that hate electric cars to the level that they have to talk **** because they don't turn fuel to noise you should know you sound like a bunch of stogy idiots. I love petrol cars as much as the next guy, but failing to understand what's cool about electric cars to the point where you have to hate on something you don't understand like an inbred halfwit makes you sound like a tool.

Seriously suck a ****ing tailpipe.

 

[Torrid]

Eventually all dealers will go the way of the dodo - NADA and the states where dealership chains have their headquarters in like North Carolina(Hendrick, Sonic), Florida(AutoNation, the Margate family who runs JM Lexus and Southeastern Toyota Distributors) as well as Michigan are lobbying/passing laws to keep Tesla as well as GM/Ford/FCA US from doing direct to consumer sales a la Apple Store/Tesla Store. IMO, I think Nissan, Toyota, Honda and Hyundai/Kia will continue with dealer sales, especially Nissan and HyunKia - people with shot credit are the most profitable since subprime credit also gives dealers a generous spiff, and the Toyota/Honda tax ain’t going away anytime soon. The high-end brands and Detroit 3 want to go DTC ASAP.

Tesla has the consumer experience down to an almost Apple-like science. Supercharging isn’t everywhere but where it is, Tesla does it at high-end open-air shopping centers or places where food is abundant to take the sting/hangry out of waiting but not the truck stop experience.

Whether Tesla has it right or not has yet to be decided, but the dealer model really does suck. I think it's nuts that Wisconsin has laws against the non dealer model. We'll have to pick up our Tesla from an Illinois store. I hate haggling and I really don't like being forced to talk to someone to buy a car. If I have money and/or financing to buy a car I want to click buy on what I know I can afford. I don't want to be sold to. I can do my own research and I don't want someone telling me what I think I need. Going into Tesla was great. They answered my questions, offered information they thought was useful or interesting, let us drive a car, and left everything else to us. The purchase/order process was easy to do without dealing with anyone.

 

[Skippy722]

I imagine it is trying to set the cabin temp. Setting air temp, fan speed and direction is super simple. In Auto mode, the car will try to quickly get the cabin temp changed. Fan will blow on high, then moderate as the temp is achieved.

Well… that’s depressing, hopefully it works better than Chrysler’s system, drove me nuts having it set to say 75F, it would just finally hit peak comfort then the air would change temp and start blowing cooler air!

I would like to experience driving one though. If anything happens to my truck a Model 3 is on my shortlist since nobody really makes a semi-affordable EV truck yet. Ford wanting $52k for a truck with vinyl floors and seats is asinine while the GM trucks are just… ugly to look at.

 

[edyvw]

Not at difficult to understand. Since the days of Aristotle what people have called "science" findings have been ginned up, data manipulated and incorrect findings declared as facts. As we can plainly see in our times a lot of so called scientific evidence is nothing more than ginned up mumbo jumbo all in the aid of an agenda. Denying it is not wrong when the evidence has had no critical deep dive into it especcially when there is evidence that a lot of the data was manipulated. JM2C

That is actually not how science works.
To publish data in form of article in scientific journal it has to be blind peer reviewed. Ginning up data might, might slip peer review process, but it will be caught once it is published. Problem then becomes personal for author or co-authors.
It is grueling process to publish scientific article. Just ask anyone who was on tenure clock. And here is gem: if you don’t publish certain number of scientific articles in top journals (if one has a job in good university) you are out after 5-6 years. The real problem is that when you send an article for a review it can take up to a year or so to get published.
Science is determining how you are going to be treated for cancer, heart attack, stroke etc. The difference between life expectancy in 1800 and 2022 is scientific process and how rigorous it is. That scientific process gave you some additional 48-49 years of life expectancy.

Now, there are a lot of those that claim to have scientific data etc. but never published in scientific journals. That is not science. Period.

Fundamentally, science doesn’t care what someone thinks about it. Facts are facts. Most people that claim that science is this or that, don’t have problem with science as they are enjoying scientific products every day. They don’t like what they read. They don’t like the result. But that result doesn’t care about opinion. It is scientific process to determine whether someone has a cancer or not. Patient doesn’t have to believe it, but cancer doesn’t really care.

 

[Trav]

Facts these days change with what the newest agenda dictates they are. Just a few words and that is all I will say about this before it goes political.
Hockey stick graph, where the real science did not provide the desired result so the science was changed until it did. The unmentionable virus, another one where the real science was ignored to provide the desired result and made billions for the so called "scientist" which in reality were nothing more than a bunch of frauds.
I am not against science, what I am against is today real science is ignored or altered to suite someones agenda.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I thought the Model 3 was supposed to be the cheap one, but they sold very few at the $35K price and now don't even offer them that cheap, the least expensive model is $48,490. And they obfuscate the actual price on their website by saying you're getting a $6000 discount on gas savings.

I guess we'll see where the Model C ends up at.

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Well in his defense prices have crept up across the board on autos in general. In any cases the article is dated 2013.

 

[DwightFrye]

I have yet to own a car when the Auto settings for anything, whether the HVAC system, headlights or windshield wipers worked as well as me just leaving them on manual and doing it the same way I have been for about 50 years. I don't need the headlights to turn on as soon as I pull into my dim garage in the daytime. The garage door light is enough illumination. The auto dim feature doesn't work well either. And I especially don't like the auto temperature HVAC system. I don't want the fan to come on full blast when I start the car on a hot day. I get better results by rolling down the windows for a minute to get the hot air out of the car and then rolling them back up and manually turning the temp knob down to minimum for a few minutes. The rain sensing wipers ? Not as good as my own eyeballs for knowing when and how fast I need the wipers to work.

My experience with voice commands has also been less than optimum. Sometimes they work, sometimes I have to shout or argue with the stupid female voice that responds back.

As far as I am concerned, we have more than 100 years of accumulated knowledge available regarding driver controls and ergonomics for the various systems in a vehicle. Some have worked well, some not so much. It wouldn't be difficult to study and apply them. But the automakers like to dazzle the public. Have you ever seen the dashboards of the late 1950's Chrysler Imperials ? Rectangular steering wheels, push button transmissions, arcade game instruments and other features that Chrysler thought "space age" consumers wanted. They now are quaint and a novelty.
Give me buttons and knobs and levers !

 

[JeffKeryk]

I have yet to own a car when the Auto settings for anything, whether the HVAC system, headlights or windshield wipers worked as well as me just leaving them on manual and doing it the same way I have been for about 50 years. I don't need the headlights to turn on as soon as I pull into my dim garage in the daytime. The garage door light is enough illumination. The auto dim feature doesn't work well either. And I especially don't like the auto temperature HVAC system. I don't want the fan to come on full blast when I start the car on a hot day. I get better results by rolling down the windows for a minute to get the hot air out of the car and then rolling them back up and manually turning the temp knob down to minimum for a few minutes. The rain sensing wipers ? Not as good as my own eyeballs for knowing when and how fast I need the wipers to work.

My experience with voice commands has also been less than optimum. Sometimes they work, sometimes I have to shout or argue with the stupid female voice that responds back.

As far as I am concerned, we have more than 100 years of accumulated knowledge available regarding driver controls and ergonomics for the various systems in a vehicle. Some have worked well, some not so much. It wouldn't be difficult to study and apply them. But the automakers like to dazzle the public. Have you ever seen the dashboards of the late 1950's Chrysler Imperials ? Rectangular steering wheels, push button transmissions, arcade game instruments and other features that Chrysler thought "space age" consumers wanted. They now are quaint and a novelty.
Give me buttons and knobs and levers !

I would guess your thoughts are within the majority of thoughts on voice commands and auto controlled functions.
I would add that new Tesla owners have a rather steep learning curve; these cars are different.

I have enjoyed observing people drive our Tesla Model 3 for the 1st time. Almost without fail, people of a certain age struggle; some even hate it. Many can't get over not having to physically start the car, and it goes downhill from there.
Younger people naturally take to the technology. That's my unscientific study.

 

[nthach]

I would guess your thoughts are within the majority of thoughts on voice commands and auto controlled functions.
I would add that new Tesla owners have a rather steep learning curve; these cars are different.

I have enjoyed observing people drive our Tesla Model 3 for the 1st time. Almost without fail, people of a certain age struggle; some even hate it. Many can't get over not having to physically start the car, and it goes downhill from there.
Younger people naturally take to the technology. That's my unscientific study.

A Lyft driver said I was one of the few who knew instinctively to open and exit the car. He’s had to get out and open the doors for people, it was a Model Y. To me, I find regular cars can be a trick to find the important controls - I get into a Ford/GM product and need to klutz around for a few to find the lighting/mirror controls.

Oddly enough, shaving doors and using an electric popper to open them isn’t uncommon in the hot rod crowd. Tesla’s just the first to make it common outside of a Goodguys show.

 

[edyvw]

Facts these days change with what the newest agenda dictates they are. Just a few words and that is all I will say about this before it goes political.
Hockey stick graph, where the real science did not provide the desired result so the science was changed until it did. The unmentionable virus, another one where the real science was ignored to provide the desired result and made billions for the so called "scientist" which in reality were nothing more than a bunch of frauds.
I am not against science, what I am against is today real science is ignored or altered to suite someones agenda.

Problem is that what you are referring to is not science. Even if it is something scientific, it is interpreted by someone who knows nothing about it. When politicians discuss science without scientists, it is not science. It is bending facts to fit agenda.
Again, science doesn’t care about it. It eventually catches up with you, whether you believe it or not. Like Hemingway said about bankruptcy: gradually, than suddenly.

 

[edyvw]

I have yet to own a car when the Auto settings for anything, whether the HVAC system, headlights or windshield wipers worked as well as me just leaving them on manual and doing it the same way I have been for about 50 years. I don't need the headlights to turn on as soon as I pull into my dim garage in the daytime. The garage door light is enough illumination. The auto dim feature doesn't work well either. And I especially don't like the auto temperature HVAC system. I don't want the fan to come on full blast when I start the car on a hot day. I get better results by rolling down the windows for a minute to get the hot air out of the car and then rolling them back up and manually turning the temp knob down to minimum for a few minutes. The rain sensing wipers ? Not as good as my own eyeballs for knowing when and how fast I need the wipers to work.

My experience with voice commands has also been less than optimum. Sometimes they work, sometimes I have to shout or argue with the stupid female voice that responds back.

As far as I am concerned, we have more than 100 years of accumulated knowledge available regarding driver controls and ergonomics for the various systems in a vehicle. Some have worked well, some not so much. It wouldn't be difficult to study and apply them. But the automakers like to dazzle the public. Have you ever seen the dashboards of the late 1950's Chrysler Imperials ? Rectangular steering wheels, push button transmissions, arcade game instruments and other features that Chrysler thought "space age" consumers wanted. They now are quaint and a novelty.
Give me buttons and knobs and levers !

Auto headlights are IMO one of the most dangerous things. We have really dense fog this morning and 70% of cars only hsve DRL’s and you can’t see them from behind before you come like 10ft to it. Why? Auto settings. Too bright for sensors, regardless that actual visibility is almost nonexistent.

 

[nthach]

Auto headlights are IMO one of the most dangerous things. We have really dense fog this morning and 70% of cars only hsve DRL’s and you can’t see them from behind before you come like 10ft to it. Why? Auto settings. Too bright for sensors, regardless that actual visibility is almost nonexistent.

Also, DOT/SAE standards are much different than the EU/JIS for lighting, especially forward lighting. The last time the FMVSS codes were substantially updated was when Ford introduced the Taurus with composite, Euro-style headlamps, and everyone else wanted to stick with sealed-beam. Never been to the Europe/UK but it seems like they are adamant about having both “driving” lights and fog lights as well as amber turn signals. With the advent of LED lighting and using software to define how it works, the DOT specs are again in the way. VW/Audi, BMW and Mercedes can’t offer their Euro lights here.

 

[edyvw]

Also, DOT/SAE standards are much different than the EU/JIS for lighting, especially forward lighting. The last time the FMVSS codes were substantially updated was when Ford introduced the Taurus with composite, Euro-style headlamps, and everyone else wanted to stick with sealed-beam. Never been to the Europe/UK but it seems like they are adamant about having both “driving” lights and fog lights as well as amber turn signals.

The difference is substantial. BMW cannot introduce laser lights here bcs. of regulations, and the difference is astonishing.

 

[DwightFrye]

There is a lot to be said for some standardization of vehicle controls. Case in point: A few years ago I rented a Chrysler van. I picked it up at the airport at night, hopped in and drove several blocks before I realized I didn't have any headlights. Because the dash was illuminated I figured that the lights were on and the attendant who brought the car up to me had turned on the lights already.

Now every car I have owned for the last few decades had the headlight on/off switch on the left side turn signal stalk. Also the high beam on/off by pushing/pulling the stalk.

I sat at the side of the road for several minutes trying to figure out how to turn on the headlights. Eventually I found a switch on the lower part of the dash below the steering wheel. Nice work designers.

I understand Tesla likes to be different. Or seen as innovative. But just because you can do some things doesn't mean that you should.
I drive with my radio on pretty much all the time. Either music, news or talk radio. Having to turn the volume down to use voice controls is dumb. At least the steering wheel buttons on my cars allow station changes and volume changes. But to change inputs, like from Sirius XM to FM or to the music on a USB drive requires using the touch screen. That is a distraction. On my Jaguar, changing the air flow from floor to dash to defrost also requires using the touch screen. Again, a poor design.

 

[JeffKeryk]

There is a lot to be said for some standardization of vehicle controls. Case in point: A few years ago I rented a Chrysler van. I picked it up at the airport at night, hopped in and drove several blocks before I realized I didn't have any headlights. Because the dash was illuminated I figured that the lights were on and the attendant who brought the car up to me had turned on the lights already.

Now every car I have owned for the last few decades had the headlight on/off switch on the left side turn signal stalk. Also the high beam on/off by pushing/pulling the stalk.

I sat at the side of the road for several minutes trying to figure out how to turn on the headlights. Eventually I found a switch on the lower part of the dash below the steering wheel. Nice work designers.

I understand Tesla likes to be different. Or seen as innovative. But just because you can do some things doesn't mean that you should.
I drive with my radio on pretty much all the time. Either music, news or talk radio. Having to turn the volume down to use voice controls is dumb. At least the steering wheel buttons on my cars allow station changes and volume changes. But to change inputs, like from Sirius XM to FM or to the music on a USB drive requires using the touch screen. That is a distraction. On my Jaguar, changing the air flow from floor to dash to defrost also requires using the touch screen. Again, a poor design.

You just made the case for natural voice commands. By the way, you don't have to turn down the volume to use voice controls.

 

[alarmguy]

I would guess your thoughts are within the majority of thoughts on voice commands and auto controlled functions.
I would add that new Tesla owners have a rather steep learning curve; these cars are different.

I have enjoyed observing people drive our Tesla Model 3 for the 1st time. Almost without fail, people of a certain age struggle; some even hate it. Many can't get over not having to physically start the car, and it goes downhill from there.
Younger people naturally take to the technology. That's my unscientific study.

I love automated systems, to this day I can't believe cars are produced without automatic headlights. Keep in mind I have been on this earth for many decades now (yes I made it through the cardiac ablation yesterday but going to start a new thread on that in a day or so)
Anyway, one thing I wasn't never a fan of is the automatic interior thermostats. Show me anyone who sets it, lets say at 72 degrees and doesn't have to re adjust it all the time to some other temperature and then the same routine for the passenger side, ummm, no, it doesn't make sense.. To me it frivolous but understand cars come with them, including my sons two late model BMWs.

With that said, I can see the fun in voice control, if voice control can ever be that accurate. Its a PITA on my Apple Devices as much as I love the products Im actually shocked its so bad, they fail in this department. Do you think Apple has a bias against northeastern accents?
It just can't be northeastern, my very American sounding wife (and detailed oriented like you would not believe who would pick up one typos in any publication at the blink of an eye *LOL*) from Asia many decades ago even has issues with Siri.

So I can't be sold on that until proven to me. My windows phones and I think some android were better.
Many times in BITOG when using voice turns out faster if I just type it out instead of correcting mistakes.

I know you don't mean it but the "younger people" statement need to be corrected, people of all ages have issues with technology. Lack of interest I think drives that. Im a pretty old guy and have taught 1000s?? of young people and young married family how to use cameras and security systems, cleaned up countless bogged down cell phones with so many frivolous apps that the phones would barely operate and would complain about the security app.
True I guess to some degree older people have issues more but maybe not as glaring as you think and I doubt those are buying Tesla.
I am also one old guy who brought about a speedy resolution to my heart issues by me providing them with countless pages of ECGs provided by APPLES ECG app. The doctors thought it was fantastic and it was those ECGs that FINALLY got them to hook me up to their equipment for non stop 48 hour heart monitoring that showed them the extensive heart rhythm issues taking place that are not caught on the 15 second ECG snap shot in the doctors office.
I can't say enough about Apple technology and I will call anyone crazy if they are against this company. They are saving lives for those who choose to learn and use their devices instead of buying into propaganda. I am actively promoting this among family and friends, maybe if driven in my now retired life, start a website (I own many cool domain names for that, actually one of them shocked that I owned it before big companies and another not far behind that) to help people with this.

So ends todays sermon *LOL*

 

[JeffKeryk]

@alarmguy everyone calls the Model 3 an iPhone on wheels. You are a techie; you embrace technology. I think you need a Model 3 or Y. Just my 2 cents, of course.
Your medical procedure success made my day. Well done, my man!

 

[alarmguy]

@alarmguy everyone calls the Model 3 an iPhone on wheels. You are a techie; you embrace technology. I think you need a Model 3 or Y. Just my 2 cents, of course.
Your medical procedure success made my day. Well done, my man!

I think I have said in the past, as much as my posts seem anti Tesla I repeatedly say I can see an EV in our future for my wife around town car.
If the price is more reasonable some day, Im not going to pay that price. Since her company switched her from office to work from home way before covid, its stupid now how little the car is used so would be perfect and I don't say that in a negative way.

Our SUV will most likely always be gas, for towing our modest runabout AND we really are road travelers when vacation, maybe because our location, I don't know, few hours to Florida, the Smoky Mountains, Beaches of SC/NC (which we will be living in just a few months so will make those other destinations a bit longer. The reason for the road traveling, except of overseas, find it less stressful than getting to an airport and flying to another airport with delays and such, I could be halfway or mostly to my destination by driving and then I don't have to rent a car while I am there!

Though I will rent a Tesla someday for fun. My BMW son has rented one just maybe 6 months ago, loved the technology but lets be fair now, he is a stickler for fit and finish, he didn't trash the car because of it, like I said, he loved the technology and performance but yes, stated the fit and finish/interior is nowhere near BMW quality. I mean I could be walking through a parking lot with him, no matter what brand he will pick up a misaligned door line or trunk or anything on a car*LOL*
BTW - BMW just promoted him in this dept. LOVES his new position. Fit, finish, pulls vehicles right from the assembly lines, indoor test tracks, checks for rattles, noises, braking ect.

Another APPLE plus, because of my wife and I, our daughter has air tags (we have one on our dogs collar)
She was in CA just two weeks ago, flew back to NC, someone took her bag we assume by mistake because an existing look alike bag was left on the turnstile. Well, she checked her air tag and saw her suitcase on the interstate already near the airport! AirTag gave location of where they drove to, cops went there but they denied they had her bag, really not much more they could do. But it was cool and she had nothing really valuable in it, the bag was a good 45 minutes from the house where it tracked too and some time later it stopped sending signals, it is true someone could have found it and even placed it lets say in a garbage can other then the house were they were. The cops said the couple really seemed sincere while saying a house nearby its a trouble house if something like this was to happen, it would be there.

Thanks for the medical compliment, I feel great, supposed to stay and rest today but got to get out of here for a while, moved into local apartment the day before procedure, god that was stressful, while our house near the coast is being built, hopefully done in Jan.
Still cleaning out the old house, but all the heavy stuff is gone and our closing is next week.