Electronics, including my DVD player, plagued with bad capacitors.

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The problem of bad capacitors which essentially swell up and vent their electrolyte all over the board, sometimes damaging it, is a known problem with many motherboards, using many different brands of capacitors. The problem started sometime in 2001.

I thought the problem had been fixed by 2003, but a Dell GX270 at work--which is only a year old--had capacitors which had vented. That motherboard was replaced recently. Dell admitted that these motherboards have the bad capacitors.

As a result of that motherboard replacement, I did a Google search and found http://www.badcaps.net -- and discovered that it's not just motherboards, other electronics such as DVD players and TVs have this problem too.

So I took my DVD player apart to check it.

One of the capacitors on the power supply board has a bulging top. It's on the verge of venting. This DVD player is only about 3 years old. Once that capacitor vents, the DVD player isn't going to work right.

I've already ordered new capacitors of a reputable brand (Nichicon) and will be replacing them. I need to replace about 6 capacitors, they were about 80 cents each.

Reportedly, the story behind the bad capacitors is that some companies decided to steal an electrolyte formula from a competitor, but the formula wasn't complete. The formula is apparently missing components which prevent gas-buildup, resulting in the capacitor venting, ruining it. These problems mainly show up in low-ESR/low impedance capacitors of the type used in switching power supplies.

Cost-cutting resulting in cheaper electronics was supposed to result in the decline of component-level repairs, but in this case, component-level repairs are often the cheapest and quickest repair. The capacitor problems are nothing but the result of cost-cutting...and it's interesting just how many different off-brand capacitor manufacturers have the same problem.
 
That's old news to me.

Observation: you get what you paid for still holds true after so many decades. Too bad most fellow consumers do not see quality = price.

Bottomline: if you want your units to last a bit longer, go get replacement caps from Panasonic, Nichicon, Rubycon, Nichicon, etc. from Newark or Digikey and replace the ones you don't like in your unit. Life goes on that way.
 
I've been lucky to avoid most of the problems in my machines at home, but it amazes me that some people are willing to spend thousands of dollars on a computer, but no more than $10 for a power supply to run it. Then they come a'cryin when stuff gets damaged or stuff becomes unstable.

I've had a few caps decide to vent, but nothing serious enough to actually stop a machine from working.
 
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Originally posted by 97tbird:
don't trust sony

I found that out AFTER I bought two receivers and one WEGA TV. The picture is nice, but the color fades to B&W every so often, and we're NOT watching the History channel.
 
The infamous Ford single-DIN AM/FM/CD player with the eject problems has the mechanism made by...Sony. I can't believe they stamped their name on an assembly they made for Ford, but it's there. Saw it with my own eyes. Every single one of these units (prior to 1998 anyway) pretty much craps out after 3-4 years and just makes a bunch of clicking noises when you hit the eject button. The CD never comes out. In 1998 they redesigned them. I don't know if the newer ones are any better, but their single-DIN units were history by 2000 anyway.

As far as the capacitor problems, I heard of an $8000 Mackie digital mixer with these capacitor problems. I don't think price much matters. Who is going to rip their unit apart to find out whether it's got no-name capacitors in it? Is telling customers that it's got Rubycon, Panasonic, or Nichicon capacitors in it going to make them choose it over the competition? Especially when most customers are not aware of this problem? Almost nobody, no, and no. In that order. I'd also point out that this problem is a fairly recent one. 10, 15 year old electronic equipment, even "cheap" equipment, isn't showing these problems.
 
I once had a capacitor vent it's contents all over the place in a 1941 stewart warner floor model tube radio i was working on.
It was a good sized capacitor and it hissed really loud and sprayed all the electolyte all under the chassis.
It scared the crap out of me
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but i replaced it and i still have that radio today.
I also had a capacitor just about explode in a motorola CB radio i was tring to fix.
I saw the capacitor start to swell up and i pulled the wires off the battery before it went off.
Curiously what is the electolyte that is in capacitors?
Is the electrolyte toxic?
 
Sony used to be a really good brand years ago.
I always liked sony back then but sony does not have the same quality anymore it has been years since i bought anything sony.
 
apple airport's had a bad cap problem. there are generally two temperature ratings for caps, 85C and 105C (i think). operating near these temps shorten electrolytics life significantly. of course 85C are cheaper but they also have other characteristics (low esr if i remember right) that make them good choices in switching power supplies.

heat = bad.
 
Older Sony stuff were good, but I guess since they built up their reputation, they started to go downhill.

My parents still have a 20" TV from the early 80s that has never been repaired nor had any problems. That thing is rediculously heavy for a 20" TV...
 
What you're experiencing is the current cost cutting corporate business model of the past several years.

In the past, Asians corporations understood that for a few pennies of marginal costs, quality would be greatly improved. Then the Americans convinced them that a few pennies saved would still get you through the warranty period. I have some Asian built electronics from the '80s still going strong. If you have any, check out the manuals and see how long the warranty was good for versus today's crap.
 
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